Euroleague / European Club Competitions 2022/23 - Signings & Rumours

[Jazz]

But was I wrong?

Even Barca didn't help him. And now will Saras pay 2 mio just to get rid of him. That makes Saras much bigger hater than I'm.

That's what's puzzling though. Saras literally played on the same team as Calathes before, he surely knew what he was getting. And I do agree that he would flourish more under a coach who prefers to play faster basketball.

[Jazz]

Whoever come I will support Itoudis choice(like Willbekin who isn't my cup of tea), I would do the same if Djordjevic stayed.. I supported this idiot Kokoskov too last season with his boys until he left

From our point of view it's hard to notice what coach needs for his plan. We will know when season starts

Itoudis will be working tirelessly on this. The Ataturk books that Vesely left him won't be read and the spectacular view of the Bosphorus from his luxury apartment won't be enjoyed until he is happy with the Fener roster.

[GatorsGators]

Hahaha, I love your passion and bias for all things Gators, but let’s keep it real, I like Wilbekin ok, but if Calathes comes I’m probably boycotting Fenerbahce for this season... I’d rather see Fener go for Wanamaker.

That's your choice if you want.

I've explained why I think Wilbekin and Calathes would complement each other well. I'm biased as hell, sure, but I think Calathes and Wilbekin would absolutely smooth each other's flaws out a bit.

Wanamaker would be good, too, especially given he and Wilbekin have already played together fairly successfully. Just with Wanamaker you run into the issue that he hasn't really played significant minutes in more than a year.

[GatorsGators]

Barca toward the end of the season was really missing a guard scorer.

Higgins never recovered so their best guard scorer was Lapprovittola, and while Lappro is a good player, opposing defense don't guard him like they guard Wilbekin.

Big issue with Calathes is that defenses don't respect his shot but Wilbekin attracts more defensive gravity with his shot than any other player in Europe.

It'd be good balance

[Killer Bob]

Barca toward the end of the season was really missing a guard scorer.

Higgins never recovered so their best guard scorer was Lapprovittola, and while Lappro is a good player, opposing defense don't guard him like they guard Wilbekin.

Big issue with Calathes is that defenses don't respect his shot but Wilbekin attracts more defensive gravity with his shot than any other player in Europe.

It'd be good balance

Things in basketball don't work like that. Calathes is useless off ball, he kills spacing. Teams with Calathes play 4/5 in half court basketball. You can't find worse player to play with Wilbekin than Calathes. Wilbekin, as all players that you need double, are the best with 4 shooters around him and great spacing. Just imagine putting Calathes beside Larkin, Efes wouldn't even make playoffs.

[Killer Bob]

That's what's puzzling though. Saras literally played on the same team as Calathes before, he surely knew what he was getting. And I do agree that he would flourish more under a coach who prefers to play faster basketball.

Calathes is not flourishing under anyone. Do you think that Pao's only 1 win in 13 playoffs games with Calathes leading Pao was by accident? We have very similar story in Nba. Simmons would have been the best player in Nba, if he could shoot. Because he can't, he's unplayable in playoffs.

Saras made classical mistake, believing how Calathes just need better players around him. In reality he makes life difficult for those playing with him, because they have to play 4/5 in half court offense. And Saras made things even worse with cutting Calathes's 3 points attempts, which paradoxically made Calathes even more useless.

[menos]

Haven t seen bigger Hater than Beno is with
Calathes. By Far Best pass-first pointguard in the league along with Chacho.
Ps: Saras is REPLACING Nick with Satoransky

[Killer Bob]

Haven t seen bigger Hater than Beno is with
Calathes. By Far Best pass-first pointguard in the league along with Chacho.
Ps: Saras is REPLACING Nick with Satoransky

No, that's Saras. Saras is prepared to pay big money just to get rid of him.

The difference between Calathes and Satoransky, both being bad shooters, is that Satoransky can hit wide open 3s decently, Calathes can't. Satoransky is better defender nowadays too.

Chacho and Calathes haven't much in common considering shooting. Leave Chacho open like teams are leaving Calathes and he's shooting 50%+ for 3.

Look, basketball has changed. Now Pfs must be great shooters and even many Cs are decent for 3. Pass-first point guards aka. daddy I can't shoot, are becoming extinct like dinosaurs.

Calathes has failed in Nba because of shooting and has failed in Pao in playoffs, 1/13, because of shooting. I agree that he could have been 1 of the best European players ever, if he was solid shooter. Unfortunately there are some things in life that can't be compensated.

[Worrax]

Hahaha, I love your passion and bias for all things Gators, but let’s keep it real, I like Wilbekin ok, but if Calathes comes I’m probably boycotting Fenerbahce for this season... I’d rather see Fener go for Wanamaker.

Hi Furkan... Wanamaker is my only wish to see in Fener. But Umut Akıncıoğlu said he played only 54 games in last 4 seasons and fully lost his rhthym, underperforming. He's a big question mark for now. Also his wife never wants to leave states to another country, pity.

[janketa]

Hi Furkan... Wanamaker is my only wish to see in Fener. But Umut Akıncıoğlu said he played only 54 games in last 4 seasons and fully lost his rhthym, underperforming. He's a big question mark for now. Also his wife never wants to leave states to another country, pity.

I understand your wish but it would be bad idea believe me. Even 4 years younger and in better form he wasn't dominant leader in Fener, very bad performance in 2018 F4(percentage and decision making 1st of all).

As you know I pay attention very much on F4 player's performance, because those high pressure (live or die) games show the real character of the players.

For instance players like Beaubois, Moerman, Guduric, Nunnaly etc.. won't be winners ever because they fail under pressure. But they have numbers in regular games. Wanamaker isn't that kind of a player, he is better, but still he is not someone who could lead in big games.

We have better and younger players on the market, like Grigonis and Lundberg, so if just one of them could come(or both) we made good job.

[ronmercer80]

Calathes-Wilbekin would be an elite guard pairing, and the two of them would bring out each other's strengths.

Both of them like keeping the ball for more than 10 seconds and dribbling. They fit well but there is some risk of slowing the attack. Only real games would tell as the truth.

I don't think maccabi will add other foreigners but there are some rumors for Kylie Wiltjer, sf-pf.

[saras]

Calathes has asked for a 3 year deal and we came.back with a 4million offer for 3 years. Probably he will answer in the next couple of days positively

[Obina]

Brick Calathes most popular guy on this forum.

He was never top class PG because of his offense limits but he is earning millions because of poor market on his position last few years.

Imo the best choice on the market is Pierria Henry, except NBA.

[Spittifiz]

Calathes has asked for a 3 year deal and we came.back with a 4million offer for 3 years. Probably he will answer in the next couple of days positively

he should accept the offer and save fener and himself in the long run.

[janketa]

I see different opinions here, Calathes, Wana, Henry.. Nobody mentioned Wolters(except me) the best possible guy to play with combo like Willbekin.

I mean if Willbekin is starting pg, we need backup who will play his role on high level and who is better on the market then Wolters.

But in that case we need one more sg