Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

[usagre]

If you take into account his previous Euroleague experience in his early 20’s and project it forward to now in his prime I think he will still be dominant Euroleague player without question.

[Tevfik1907]

Yes, Singleton is overrated. But Zoc should know already, as well as Gherardini, if they want to buy him, then they know something we don't know. Still nothing happened, we will see.

[Tevfik1907]

De Colo is a huge transfer, by the way. More impressive than that of Mirotic, imho.
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Different positions, but yeah comparable.

Btw, which player is better according to you, Larkin or De Colo?

[Spittifiz]

good for both sides.

sloukas, dixon
de colo, mahmutoğlu, korkmaz
kalinic, datome, arna
lauvergne, ?
vesely, ?, düverioğlu

hoping for one of the question marks to be udoh but let's see.

1 on 1. still hoping for udoh return but let's see.

[Nireus]

It's difficult to say about Singleton.

Some mediocre players had good numbers playing in OAKA ( for whatever reason ), like KC Rivers in the past and DeShawn Thomas now, and very good numbers had Singleton as well.
But away from there things were/are different.

On the other hand, Barca has not been a good environment for many players and coaches that underperformed the recent years ( like Bartzokas, Kevin Pangos and Singleton, to name a few )

[janketa]

De Colo is a huge transfer, by the way. More impressive than that of Mirotic, imho.

and a depressing news for many Efes fans: Tibor Pleiss stays for one more year.

Between Mirotic and De Colo I would pick De Colo in any possible aspect. He is game changer what we needed most of all

[Toruko]

Different positions, but yeah comparable.

Btw, which player is better according to you, Larkin or De Colo?

Even asking is an insult for Larkin.

[Saybia]

It's difficult to say about Singleton.

Some mediocre players had good numbers playing in OAKA ( for whatever reason ), like KC Rivers in the past and DeShawn Thomas now, and very good numbers had Singleton as well.
But away from there things were/are different.

On the other hand, Barca has not been a good environment for many players and coaches that underperformed the recent years ( like Bartzokas, Kevin Pangos and Singleton, to name a few )

Singleton is not a pure a PF nor Center. He is slow for a PF but oversized whilst he is undersized but quick for playing as a center. When he was in Pao he was playing in a role closer to the center with more mobile 4's such as Gist. For his shooting and dribbling skills this was a good environment for him. He didn't have to put up a big fight since he had the help from his teammates.

In Barca playing with centers like Tomic and Seraphin as a pure PF was awful for him. With the lack of movement on the offense he couldn't find open shots beyond the arc as he used to in Pana. And also in defense with the fact of Tomic and Seraphin's incapability Singleton's at least the average defensive performance in Pana days also got effected.

I think with Vesely he's a really good match as Vesely is fast for both 4 and 5 while lacking shooting and creativity but also is a very good fighter.

Thinking about the open shots Melli wasn't going for; Singleton would enjoy them a lot. And he can dribble to the paint if he finds space by finishing. Of course Melli's almost point forward coordination will be missed but Singleton's offensive performance would be better for us in overall imho.
Especially after De Colo. Sloukas-De Colo would pose too much problems against any other teams defense which would create more options to our spot up shooters like Datome. And Singleton might be added to this list if he joins.

The problem would be is Melli was a relly good defender and he could play with any player inside. He could play with Kalina if needed even though it wasn't the best scenario for us. So he could play easily with Lauvergne by not letting our defense down. However Singleton-Lauvergne duo are doubtful in defense. I think if this happens and no one else joins; Vesely will have to take longer times and we also might see Lauvergne-Kalinic duo quite often to rest him.

[Cemalex]

Even asking is an insult for Larkin.

Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.

[vivo]

Even asking is an insult for Larkin.

I read this sentence as "I only watch Efes games"

[vivo]

If you take into account his previous Euroleague experience in his early 20’s and project it forward to now in his prime I think he will still be dominant Euroleague player without question.

I think there is no doubt in that, or shouldn't be. Mirotic will be huge for Barça, I hope Heurtel and Pesic can manage to sabotage that team.

[Cemalex]

Singleton is not a pure a PF nor Center. He is slow for a PF but oversized whilst he is undersized but quick for playing as a center. When he was in Pao he was playing in a role closer to the center with more mobile 4's such as Gist. For his shooting and dribbling skills this was a good environment for him. He didn't have to put up a big fight since he had the help from his teammates.

In Barca playing with centers like Tomic and Seraphin as a pure PF was awful for him. With the lack of movement on the offense he couldn't find open shots beyond the arc as he used to in Pana. And also in defense with the fact of Tomic and Seraphin's incapability Singleton's at least the average defensive performance in Pana days also got effected.

I think with Vesely he's a really good match as Vesely is fast for both 4 and 5 while lacking shooting and creativity but also is a very good fighter.

Thinking about the open shots Melli wasn't going for; Singleton would enjoy them a lot. And he can dribble to the paint if he finds space by finishing. Of course Melli's almost point forward coordination will be missed but Singleton's offensive performance would be better for us in overall imho.
Especially after De Colo. Sloukas-De Colo would pose too much problems against any other teams defense which would create more options to our spot up shooters like Datome. And Singleton might be added to this list if he joins.

The problem would be is Melli was a relly good defender and he could play with any player inside. He could play with Kalina if needed even though it wasn't the best scenario for us. So he could play easily with Lauvergne by not letting our defense down. However Singleton-Lauvergne duo are doubtful in defense. I think if this happens and no one else joins; Vesely will have to take longer times and we also might see Lauvergne-Kalinic duo quite often to rest him.

I agree most of them. Even his bad year at Barca he was still around %40 beyond the arc by average 3,5 attempt. He is mobile and has energy.
His defence is not bad, actualy above average. He has fast at perimeter defence but not very agressive at post defence. In overall he is above average defender. I dont think Lauvergne - Singleton duo could face problem at defence so much.

Pao performance is more desicive than Barca's, our offence system more fluid and will help Singleton.

I think we should go after Udoh no matter how good Singleton is Udoh was monster and with him only injuries could stops us.

[Saybia]

Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.

The shitty guard defense and the absence of a center of FB made him seen like Westbrook by some people. He is a good player but he's not unstoppable. Even in the final while making 29 points he played with 7/17 FG (reminding me Mike James) while De Colo was with 5/6. If you take out Micic from Efes, Larkin's performance would significantly decline.

On the other hand in Real game until the late 3rd quarter De Colo was really bad as well. Then later he stepped up.

As a result Larkin, De Colo, Higgins all are good players with different skills. They are all performing well within the right environment, right role. There is no Bryant, Durant in European basketball.

[Toruko]

I read this sentence as "I only watch Efes games"

I watch all Euroleague games and the value of larkin is in this gamestyle where almost every team makes man to man switch defense is another level. He is unstoppable in running at the rim. I dont deny de colo is a great scorer and also maybe a better shooter than larkin but larkin is overall still better.

[Saybia]

I agree most of them. Even his bad year at Barca he was still around %40 beyond the arc by average 3,5 attempt. He is mobile and has energy.
His defence is not bad, actualy above average. He has fast at perimeter defence but not very agressive at post defence. In overall he is above average defender. I dont think Lauvergne - Singleton duo could face problem at defence so much.

Pao performance is more desicive than Barca's, our offence system more fluid and will help Singleton.

I think we should go after Udoh no matter how good Singleton is Udoh was monster and with him only injuries could stops us.

Depending on the line up; for instance Hines/Hunter-Clyburn duo with their mobility might cause problems against Lauvergne-Singleton. But Ayon-Thompkins would be fine. As every team has sort of weaknesses it is not that a big deal for me either. I agree..

I think keeping Lauvergne means we should go for a 4-5 with more consistent shooting. When Udoh was with us there was at least Antic who can pose a threat. Or we will have to play with Datome on PF more than that we used to. And when Udoh was there even we had Antic we had to play with Kalina on 4 long periods.

Having Ahmet-Vesely-Lauvergne can play as C adding a new one without having any PF is not a wise choice for me.