Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

[Tevfik1907]

Take the results. I dont care if Fener is too dumb to take care of his players. ZOC was too dumb and too ignorant to let Datome play him against Dacka two games before regular season had ended.

And I wont make stupid comparisons Ataman vs ZOC. ZOC had the advantage and couldnt win a serious cup. Ataman was clearly more successful.

Well yeah, he should've seen the future like a fortune teller, he should've known that Datome was going to be injured.

I said Ergin is less skilled than Obra, and you said Ergin beat Obra on this season. Who is making stupid comparisons? Everyone knows Obra is more skilled than Ergin, he only won the one F4 game and TBL Final in 7 games because of Fenerbahçe's injuries, even Itoudis said Fenerbahçe would win F4 without injuries and they were the best team in 2019. If you're not biased you can see that.

[Toruko]

Well yeah, he should've seen the future like a fortune teller, he should've known that Datome was going to be injured.

I said Ergin is less skilled than Obra, and you said Ergin beat Obra on this season. Who is making stupid comparisons? Everyone knows Obra is more skilled than Ergin, he only won the one F4 game and TBL Final in 7 games because of Fenerbahçe's injuries, even Itoudis said Fenerbahçe would win F4 without injuries and they were the best team in 2019. If you're not biased you can see that.

Well like I said the the life doesnt take place in conjunctive. I just said Ataman was more successful. This we would have won if doesnt mean a thing especially when you play with 2 more foreigners in BSL. Anyway no need to be pissed. The next season is going to start soon.

[surfer]

Are we seriously comparing Larkin to fucking Bodiroga now? Guy had a good season and has some very good qualities but still...

I am not comparing Larkin to Bodiroga, the point is to show that even Obradovic can give control to one player since it is said that he would never do such thing. Guess what, he already did that and I am sure he will do the same should he find another player that dominant.
Anyways, Larkin did not even have the whole control in Efes, him and Micic filled that role very co-operatively.

[Tevfik1907]

Well like I said the the life doesnt take place in conjunctive. I just said Ataman was more successful. This we would have won if doesnt mean a thing especially when you play with 2 more foreigners in BSL. Anyway no need to be pissed. The next season is going to start soon.

No he isn't. He never won a single Euroleague championship, and Obra won TBL 3 times in a row while Ergin was getting fired from another TBL team Galatasaray and fighting with their fanbase Ultraslan. Ergin only played in Final four 3 times in his whole career as a basketball coach, which includes even Siena, while Obra played in Final four 5 times only in Fenerbahçe, not even including his other teams.

Even comparing Ergin and Obra makes no sense, especially based on a single season that we had so many critical injuries.

I would respect your opinion if you said something like messina is more successful than obra, but ergin isn't even in this discussion.

[Toruko]

I was talking about last season. No need to be carried away. Of Course ZOC has more titles. lol

[punch2k]

I was talking about last season. No need to be carried away. Of Course ZOC has more titles. lol

Why you are always arguing with someone?? What is your problem dude?

[Toruko]

Why you are always arguing with someone?? What is your problem dude?

I am not satisfied with my life thats the reason.

[vivo]

Ataman was more successful than Zoc this year, and Efes could still beat us without injuries. They could have even won the title, no one denies that.

This doesn't change the fact his success always relies on a great guard like Larkin, McCollum, Iverson, Arroyo etc. as he is not on the level of Zoc, Messina, Blatt and other great coaches. The fact that some people act like he is some kind of wizard and expects him to be regarded as such when pretty much every fanbase around Turkey (most of GS fans, BJK, Karşıyaka, and other fans) and even Europe (Red Star etc.) hates him makes it clear his PR is also a nightmare. I would never, ever want him to coach my team, and that is before we get to the doping incident and his provocations against opponent teams and fans. He is lucky his incidents in Turkey isn't well known in Europe, which means he will find a good job after he inevitably crashes and burns Efes and falls out with fans as he did before wherever he coached.

[Jazz]

This doesn't change the fact his success always relies on a great guard like Larkin, McCollum, Iverson, Arroyo etc.

I love this reference.

[surfer]

Also I am not comparing Ataman to Obradovic. On who your team’s success relies on completely depends on the circumstances. For example, if you have limited budget it is more logical to spend the biggest dollars on PG position, like Ataman did in some of his teams, but thats not always the case with Ataman. For ex, his Siena team did not rely on one player, also this years Efes did not rely on one player.
Saying Ataman’s success always relies to one great guard is like saying Obradovic’s success always relies on a group of top tier-expensive players, both are shallow opinions actually.
Obradovic is a coach who achieved the best he could with his circumstances. Ataman is also a coach who achieved the best he could with his circumstances. I mean can you say that Ataman has underachieved or Obradovic has overachieved?

[radallo]

When a player states "I will stay without playing" or "no discount on my service" do you think his value on the market increase?

[Jazz]

When a player states "I will stay without playing" or "no discount on my service" do you think his value on the market increase?

It does sound like Milano seriously misled him. Could end up being another situation like Rice in Barcelona.

[Tevfik1907]

Ataman was more successful than Zoc this year, and Efes could still beat us without injuries. They could have even won the title, no one denies that.

This doesn't change the fact his success always relies on a great guard like Larkin, McCollum, Iverson, Arroyo etc. as he is not on the level of Zoc, Messina, Blatt and other great coaches. The fact that some people act like he is some kind of wizard and expects him to be regarded as such when pretty much every fanbase around Turkey (most of GS fans, BJK, Karşıyaka, and other fans) and even Europe (Red Star etc.) hates him makes it clear his PR is also a nightmare. I would never, ever want him to coach my team, and that is before we get to the doping incident and his provocations against opponent teams and fans. He is lucky his incidents in Turkey isn't well known in Europe, which means he will find a good job after he inevitably crashes and burns Efes and falls out with fans as he did before wherever he coached.

Considering our situation due to bad luck; I seriously doubt that Ergin could still keep us at the top level without having the mvp of his team (Vesely) and two other top 5 and important players (Datome and Lauvergne, and before that Tyler Ennis). We would probably lose in the game 4 or 5 in TBL against Efes, and we could even lose the EL playoffs.

I was also talking about their general abilities as basketball coaches, why would I talk about the last season only when I say Obra is more skilled than Ergin as a basketball coach?

Also I am not comparing Ataman to Obradovic. On who your team’s success relies on completely depends on the circumstances. For example, if you have limited budget it is more logical to spend the biggest dollars on PG position, like Ataman did in some of his teams, but thats not always the case with Ataman. For ex, his Siena team did not rely on one player, also this years Efes did not rely on one player.
Saying Ataman’s success always relies to one great guard is like saying Obradovic’s success always relies on a group of top tier-expensive players, both are shallow opinions actually.
Obradovic is a coach who achieved the best he could with his circumstances. Ataman is also a coach who achieved the best he could with his circumstances. I mean can you say that Ataman has underachieved or Obradovic has overachieved?

Ataman had many opportunities with good budgets before, he was never consistent. You think Ãœlker's budget wasn't good? What did he do in all those years in Euroleague? Nothing. Why do you think they fired him from Galatasaray? They didn't give enough budget for him to manage, it's not like he can be a coach to a team that has low budgets.

https://www.futbolarena.com/galatasaray/galatasarayda-ergin-ataman-ayrildi-319842h/

Read Can Topsakal's statement.

[Oly_fan]

It does sound like Milano seriously misled him. Could end up being another situation like Rice in Barcelona.

He signed a contract last year and since then the coach, GM and President of the club have all changed. He had 'a talk with Messina' and that means what? That all those people that got fired made the right decision in giving him the reins of the team?

If he thought he could get a better contract elsewhere, he'd run away but he might be afraid stupidity is running dry.

[Jazz]

He signed a contract last year and since then the coach, GM and President of the club have all changed. He had 'a talk with Messina' and that means what? That all those people that got fired made the right decision in giving him the reins of the team?

If he thought he could get a better contract elsewhere, he'd run away but he might be afraid stupidity is running dry.

Let's be honest, no-one is surprised that he doesn't fit Messina's plans, but why have Milano dragged this out for so long? They've only made it harder for themselves to find him another team.