Have we just now entered the real Obradovic Era?

[qiangdade]

2/3 - Saras and Obradovic in the Final four.

3/3 + Laso.

[iskoch]

we entered “fenerbahçe era”...

obradovic is the person who maximises fenerbahçe’s potential.

[qiangdade]

2/3 - Saras and Obradovic in the Final four.

[sashikas]

Several quotes from yesterday's press conference after Game 4 vs. Oly:

“Don’t forget this moment, when after 1 year you all will say ‘take this fool out of here’.” When asked if that joke means he’ll stay in Kaunas 1 more year, Jasikevicius told: “I don’t know what I will do yet. Even if I or some players leaves, we’re just part of the pyramid. We have to enjoy this moment. It’s historical day for our club & city. We’ll try to go forward”
“I want to say that Zalgiris is one of the best teams in Europe and probably one of the best organizations in whole world. From the bottom to the top. We have great front office, great players and everybody is growing.”
“Many years I was Zalgiris fan No 1 and I will till death. We can talk that I love many cities I’ve played, but I love Zalgiris more than any other team. It’s my first love. And you know, it’s always difficult with your first love”

[ab_mj]

Obra will always be hot candidate for the title, so as Fener. I don't think that only three teams will be contenders for the title, at least 7 teams will win titles in next 20 years.
CSKA, Real, Fener, Oly, Pao, Maccabi and Barca.
We are happy that Fener is among powerhouses and we have our chances. This is bullshit that someones wrote about economy in Turkey linking that with Fener future. In 80 milions country we are the club with the most fans and rising interest for basketball. Turkish economy is stronger then Spanish but much more money(x5) is invested in Spanish clubs then in Turkey. So, there will be always space for investing in Fener as success story. Maybe not 30 milion every season but I doubt that budget will ever drop under 20 milions in any case.

Obradovic era doesn't start with change of the competition but in the moment when he started his coaching career.
As he said in many interviews he will continue to do what he knows the best as long as he enjoy in his job. I think he will stay in Fener next five years and he could take one or two titles more. I am not optimist about this season but we have our chances of course.

Could you add Fenerbahce to this list 6 years ago ?
I couldn't.
So, unpredictable team can enter the list, we can't know, but only guess. My guess is Pao, Maccabi and even Barca will not win any title in next 5-10 years.

[ab_mj]

You didn’t get me. I’m not comparing pre-Obra Fener to post-Obra Fener. I’m talking about correlation between money and success, which is different point. Assume that no Obra no money, do you think that current success is still sustainable? I doubt. Don’t forget that Obra never works in a average-budget team. That means if your budget reduces to 10m€, no more Obra. In this case, very hard to reach 3 consecutive F4 without making huge local talent pool.

I agree with you regarding to lack of local talent.
But correlation between money and success doesn't explain our position. We had same amount of money more or less but we couldn't reach anything. And main point of this threat also supports this. Real, Barca built great roster and won the titles because of good player (there is nothing to underestimate). Money can bring you Obradovic, but due to lack of talent in Europe, money cannot buy best players who can move you to titles.

[qiangdade]

@jonga Don't get me wrong. I will be rooting against Obradovic, Itoudis, and Saras and for Baskonia in every single game. And generally against them - I like upsets. Okay, this year I am rooting for Saras.

[qiangdade]

A lot of people celebrate to play the final four like a trophy, for that people the history books count shit. Do you think a CSKA fan is happier winning the title than a Baskonia fan playing the final four? For example Zalgiris, imagine if they play the final four, even to play the quarterfinals is something amazing. And I am talking about a team which won titles in the past.

Are we supposed to rank success according to fan happiness upon reaching a final four?? That's pretty much what you did earlier. You ranked Baskonia with 0 titles above Barca with 2 and Real with 1 in the last 18 years.

In fact it is more like this: Im agine Baskonia reaching the next 10 Euroleague Finals and losing all of them to 10 different teams. And those 10 different teams achieve nothing else than winning that 1 fianl each - they don't even reach another playoff series. All of these 10 teams are more successful than Baskonia that has lost 10 finals and has 0 titles. For example Zalgiris is a more successful team than Baskona.

As for Baskonia having the best organization in the Euroleague, I would say it is a great organization, but there are several more successful ones that would beg to disagree.

I cannot take the argument that "we have played most playoffs" as an indication that a team will win a title.

[paspalj]

I dont think Obra can return to PAO with Giannakopoulos as prez.

Yeah, that's not happening

Additionally, I don't think that he is such an idealist to go coach Partizan for peanuts.

[Nemanja]

About succes of Obradovic with big amount of money .Obradovic won Euroleague with Partizan,in war-time ,with unpayed player and them,after that won with Joventut where also didnt have biggest budget .Also in Panathinaikos,Jasikevicius,Bodiroga,Siskauskas,Spa noulis,Pekovic,Kutlay were celebrated before Panathinaikos,but Diamantidis,Batiste,Calathes,werent.He won Euroleague 2010-11 after departure of Spanoulis,Jasiekvicius and Pekovic.About departure from Panathinaikos,important influence had Dimitris Gianakopoulos .About return of Pao, let presume D.G. if will not be in Panathinaikos still 7,8 years .

[berry]

My opinion is Obradovic can to win 2 or 3 Euroleague.Their best days were in Panathinaikos ,and in period 1991-95 ,when won 3 Euroleague,including imposant with Partizan in imposible conditions .I think that he will be in Fenerbahce still 3 or 4 years,and will win 1 or 2 Euroleague ,probably will make pause ,then maybe take Panathinaikos ,or back in Partizan where all started.He wouldnt be coach still 20 years,maybe 10 years.He have a lot of interesting , about health have hyperthensy like many coach,during the years it will be make bigger problems.So,after Fenerbahce,in which I dont think he would spend still 8 or 9 years like Pao, he could take Pao,few years ,then take Partizan,or after Feenrbahce take Partizan,or something else .So,optimistically he could win maximally 4 Euroleague .

I dont think Obra can return to PAO with Giannakopoulos as prez.

[Nemanja]

My opinion is Obradovic can to win 2 or 3 Euroleague.Their best days were in Panathinaikos ,and in period 1991-95 ,when won 3 Euroleague,including imposant with Partizan in imposible conditions .I think that he will be in Fenerbahce still 3 or 4 years,and will win 1 or 2 Euroleague ,probably will make pause ,then maybe take Panathinaikos ,or back in Partizan where all started.He wouldnt be coach still 20 years,maybe 10 years.He have a lot of interesting , about health have hyperthensy like many coach,during the years it will be make bigger problems.So,after Fenerbahce,in which I dont think he would spend still 8 or 9 years like Pao, he could take Pao,few years ,then take Partizan,or after Feenrbahce take Partizan,or something else .So,optimistically he could win maximally 4 Euroleague .

[Killer Bob]

With Doncic in Nba, the team, who will lose the most, is Cska.

[qiangdade]

Qiangdade: I think that there a lot of mixed things in your thought process. For example, you say that you make a prediction based on passed events but the fact is that there is not enough data to make an educated guess based on the new Euroleague format. If you are willing to go past that then the event that one coach or one team wins 50% of the titles in 20 years has not happened frequently enough to justify it.

A valid point. The future will tell.

Additionally, you build a lot upon Saras going to Barca something that might fail spectacularly (as Barca has been failing recently).

It may well fail but I am basing it on a few facts:

- Saras will get offers from top clubs and he is likely to go to a club with a top budget.
- I exclude CSKA and Fener as in this scenario they stay with their current coaches.
- Saras' wife is from Athens, but I exclude Panathinaikos cause DPG
- Saras has said that since he has played for Barca, Pao and Maccabi he would never go to Real, Oly or Hapoel Jeru. Thus I am taking Real and Oly out of the equation.
- That effectively leaves only Maccabi and Barcelona in the picture with Barca having the higher budget.
- I have read Saras' autobiography and his love for the city of Barcelona is unconditional. He absolutely adores it and has stated that he would like to live there. His wife also has no problem (at least according to him)

So yes, Saras going to Barca is a guess, but in my opinion not a far-fetched one.

Finally, since we have single elimination games in the F4, this prediction is even more risky because you have to account for outsiders like Oly(2012), Maccabi (2014). I would go as far to say that even Pao in 2011 was an outsider (in the QF, not the F4).

In the scenario Zoc, Itoudis and Saras reach the final four practically every year. According to the possibilities alone they will win 75% percent of all titles in a final four format.

We'll see

[paspalj]

Qiangdade: I think that there a lot of mixed things in your thought process. For example, you say that you make a prediction based on passed events but the fact is that there is not enough data to make an educated guess based on the new Euroleague format. If you are willing to go past that then the event that one coach or one team wins 50% of the titles in 20 years has not happened frequently enough to justify it. Additionally, you build a lot upon Saras going to Barca something that might fail spectacularly (as Barca has been failing recently). Finally, since we have single elimination games in the F4, this prediction is even more risky because you have to account for outsiders like Oly(2012), Maccabi (2014). I would go as far to say that even Pao in 2011 was an outsider (in the QF, not the F4).

You just made a prediction, I'm not fighting it, I'm just trying to explain my logic for rejecting it. Lets hope that we'll remember this post in 2038 and come back and see how things played out