Have we just now entered the real Obradovic Era?

[Erkan12]

This year's Fener and Oly are quite similar.You are daydreaming if you think you are that better.

Fener finished the season above of Oly, and we played with Baskonia (a team that we didn't want to match, we would prefer Khimki or Zalgris) we are leading the series 2-0 and Oly is 1-1 with Zalgris, lost the HCA.

How are Fener and Oly quite similar? I already said Oly or Pana can potentially defeat us in a one-game only format, but in a prolonged series? No chance.

[Erkan12]

I admire your confidence. You underestimate a lot many teams that have the tradition and local talent pool. Fener’s success highly depends on money. Obra and his staff probably earns around 5m€ per year. Roster costs 12-13m₺ or maybe more, with other expenses it will reach 28-30m€.

Beside this, Doğuş Group is to get bankrupt. I don’t think they will no longer spend that money on basketball. With 1/3 of Fene’s current budget, not easy to hide Obra and his staff.

I think you've no idea what you're talking about, because if you were following Fener for years, you would know it has nothing to do with money. Besides, teams like Milano, Barca, Madrid, Khimki, Efes have similar level of budget with us, but we are more successful, CSKA has even a greater budget, so it's a fair game. If you're going to complain, then complain about CSKA not about us.

We had that money for years, since we merged with Ulker in 2006, we didn't even play in the F4 for once before Obra. We barely played in the playoffs (I think for once with Tanjevic).

Before Obra (2006-2013) ;

1 playoff

After Obra (2014-2017)

2 final four
1 championship


The original post has a point, Obra is clearly a great tactician and he can change many things.

[R1ou]

Fener finished the season above of Oly, and we played with Baskonia (a team that we didn't want to match, we would prefer Khimki or Zalgris) we are leading the series 2-0 and Oly is 1-1 with Zalgris, lost the HCA.

How are Fener and Oly quite similar? I already said Oly or Pana can potentially defeat us in a one-game only format, but in a prolonged series? No chance.

The key here is that FB Dogus are 0-2 down so far, however it means nothing if we don't reach the F4, like Zalgiris are 3-1 up to Oly but if they don't reach the F4 it won't matter either.

[R1ou]

I think you've no idea what you're talking about, because if you were following Fener for years, you would know it has nothing to do with money. Besides, teams like Milano, Barca, Madrid, Khimki, Efes have similar level of budget with us, but we are more successful, CSKA has even a greater budget, so it's a fair game. If you're going to complain, then complain about CSKA not about us.

We had that money for years, since we merged with Ulker in 2006, we didn't even play in the F4 for once before Obra. We barely played in the playoffs (I think for once with Tanjevic).

Before Obra (2006-2013) ;

1 playoff

After Obra (2014-2017)

2 final four
1 championship


The original post has a point, Obra is clearly a great tactician and he can change many things.

It's dependent on money because this way they're able to fill the roster with high class foreign players, because of the lack of domestic talent.

[paspalj]

It's dependent on money because this way they're able to fill the roster with high class foreign players, because of the lack of domestic talent.

Additionally it's no secret that there is a direct correlation between the money spent (budget) and the final position of the team.

[iraz]

You identify and disregard the main statement that the three coaches will stay with their teams for 15 years as something that has never happened before. Itoudis and Obradovic stayed with Pao for 13 years and they would have remained if the budget hadn't dropped and DPG wasn't crazy. So 15 has not happened before, but 13 is close enough. In my opinion it can happen.

That's what I mean - this happened only once, in Pao with Obra. It's an exception for Europe. But here I quite agree with you that Obra may continue to be the winningest coach (to a great extent because he is always favoured by the refs. As for the others - there is plenty of room for competition IMO. If smb else manages to stay for that long in a rich team, he may compete as well. Some time ago Itoudis used to speak about creating a legacy in CSKA. Well, that'd be great.

[Erkan12]

It's dependent on money because this way they're able to fill the roster with high class foreign players, because of the lack of domestic talent.

It gives you a chance to compete. That's what Obra wanted. He could leave us for CSKA in the last year, if he was a kind of man, but he didn't. He just wants to compete for that he needs the necessary budget. He doesn't need the greatest budget (which is CSKA).

We had the same level of budget for 7 years, and we did nothing except for 1 playoff series in 2008 where we lose to Siena 2-0.

Obra changed that bad record.

[turk-jugoslav]

I think you've no idea what you're talking about, because if you were following Fener for years, you would know it has nothing to do with money. Besides, teams like Milano, Barca, Madrid, Khimki, Efes have similar level of budget with us, but we are more successful, CSKA has even a greater budget, so it's a fair game. If you're going to complain, then complain about CSKA not about us.

We had that money for years, since we merged with Ulker in 2006, we didn't even play in the F4 for once before Obra. We barely played in the playoffs (I think for once with Tanjevic).

Before Obra (2006-2013) ;

1 playoff

After Obra (2014-2017)

2 final four
1 championship


The original post has a point, Obra is clearly a great tactician and he can change many things.

You didn’t get me. I’m not comparing pre-Obra Fener to post-Obra Fener. I’m talking about correlation between money and success, which is different point. Assume that no Obra no money, do you think that current success is still sustainable? I doubt. Don’t forget that Obra never works in a average-budget team. That means if your budget reduces to 10m€, no more Obra. In this case, very hard to reach 3 consecutive F4 without making huge local talent pool.

[atillafb]

Khimki-Maccabi-Olympiakos-PAO(if he stays)-Baskonia.How can you take these teams out of the picture so lightly.And if you tie Obradovic future with Fener then there is also another parameter to consider:Turkish economy future doesnt seem so bright.

I don't think the future state of the Turkish economy is going to play a factor in Fener's finances, mate. Especially if Ali Koç wins the election this year, which he most likely will.

And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Turkey the fastest growing G-20 nation in terms of GDP the previous year? I know lira is plummeting, however. I'm just....not very well versed in economics. Really oughta' do more research.

[slice me nice]

You will see the jokers soon will be the new kings

[Axl Rose Is God]

The lack of effective Turkish players is a problem for Fener besides the fucked up economy too, you cabt keep on paying money for players like thompson all the time. ta**ip is ruining Turkey in every possible way, so it's impossible to make a long term estimation for Fener and all the other Turkish teams. Obra is a very good coach and a person, but he'll get old and worn. Would love ta see lotsa titles with Fener but it's a dream for now. We'll be very very lucky if we get it this year.

[jonga]

About the first post, IMO is a non sense. In the next 20 years I am pretty sure that there will be a lot of coaches and teams winning the euroleague.

In a Final Four format any of the four teams can win the title. Without a F4 format CSKA would win 8 of each 10 euroleague because they have always the best team, and that is because they have the higher budget.

I don't see Itoudis or Obradovic coaching in the same team after 5 years.

You didn’t get me. I’m not comparing pre-Obra Fener to post-Obra Fener. I’m talking about correlation between money and success, which is different point. Assume that no Obra no money, do you think that current success is still sustainable? I doubt. Don’t forget that Obra never works in a average-budget team. That means if your budget reduces to 10m€, no more Obra. In this case, very hard to reach 3 consecutive F4 without making huge local talent pool.

I totally agree.

[Erkan12]

You didn’t get me. I’m not comparing pre-Obra Fener to post-Obra Fener. I’m talking about correlation between money and success, which is different point. Assume that no Obra no money, do you think that current success is still sustainable? I doubt. Don’t forget that Obra never works in a average-budget team. That means if your budget reduces to 10m€, no more Obra. In this case, very hard to reach 3 consecutive F4 without making huge local talent pool.

You said Fener's success depends on money, and I said we had the same money for 7 years and we get nothing. I know you meant Obra, but not always you can be successful with money alone, we've 7 years experience on that, and you can see how Efes fails almost in every year since 2002, or Barca since 2012, Milano in last 3 or 4 years etc.

Money doesn't guarantee anything. This thread is about Obra, so as long as we've the same budget and Obra, we're fine.

If we lose that budget, then no one would expect that kind of success anyway.

[jonga]

You said Fener's success depends on money, and I said we had the same money for 7 years and we get nothing. I know you meant Obra, but not always you can be successful with money alone, we've 7 years experience on that, and you can see how Efes fails almost in every year since 2002, or Barca since 2012, Milano in last 3 or 4 years etc.

Money doesn't guarantee anything. This thread is about Obra, so as long as we've the same budget and Obra, we're fine.

If we lose that budget, then no one would expect that kind of success anyway.

Money guarantee Obradovic.

With money all is easier.

How many no top8 budget teams played final four in the XXI century? Baskonia five times, Siena four times, Unicaja once, Partizan once (maybe the biggest surprise this century until now) and few more examples.

[qiangdade]

Money guarantee Obradovic.

With money all is easier.

How many no top8 budget teams played final four in the XXI century? Baskonia five times, Siena four times, Unicaja once, Partizan once (maybe the biggest surprise this century until now) and few more examples.

We are talking about current circumstances. Which means 30-game regular season and 5-game playoffs. What happened before that is irrelevant to the topic. Under these circumstances we are bound to see Fener, CSKA and Saras' Barca every year in the Final Four