Improving and Declining Teams

[christodoulou76]

from what everyone has said and from results in u20 tournaments, it seems

Improving: GER, LTU, TUR, ESP, ISR
Declining: CRO, GRE, POL, CZE

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Much younger, there is Luc Van Slooten, who at 14 played with the under 16 and looked like the German Luka Doncic (a 205 cm playmaker with good handles and shot) and was higher regarded than Franz Wagner until 3 years ago (In the Albert Schweitzer 2018 which we won he played a lot more than Franz despite being younger). Sadly German coaches seem to have screwed him into thinking he is a big-man and he did not train ball-handling anymore... He plays big minutes for the Bundesliga club owned by Dennis Schröder though (which has the merit of launching German young players on the big stage), so not all hope is lost he becomes a go-to-guy. The other super-interesting prospect is now 15 years old, Declan Duru: he plays for Real Madrid's juniors and looks like a crack. The "problem" is that he might still grow a lot, and become too tall for a wing, which is what he plays now. I say problem in quotes because he might actually then become kind of a German baby-Giannis if he keeps growing but preserves his ball-handling and coordination (his physique is already impressive).

I didn't know Braunschweig was owned by Schroeder, good to know and pay attention to them.

I thought that Ulm was kind of special in this way, since I remember they had some nice performing youngsters in the rotation when Olimpija played them. Not neccesarily superstar material, but those are overated compared to what decently talented players mean for the league, national team and other players.

I was paying a lot more attention with the Benzing, Pleiss and Theis generations and even by than the improvement of the (raw) talent at junior cathegories for Germany was substantial and noticable. Right now, I think that no matter Germany is the host of the eurobasket, in case guards keep up with the level of wings and centers, Germany could become one of those classic powerhouses, with deep rosters even with notable absences, such as it's the case right now.
Of course I can't go without bashing euroleague... that process would be notably faster if euroleague would open up, since longterm being bound to 2 teams at the highest level only, will be detrimental to the game development.


Regarding France and talent I will just shrug without commenting. They have issues, definately, especialy by some of the more fundamental players traditionaly being cast aside in favour of the athleticism, which is a 20 years old story, but they are ultimately the one country that will never ran out of good guards. Various Albicy's, Okobo's and Cordinier's are good enough for them to battle 80% of eurobasket teams. And those will always be in abundance even if no new Fournier appears (which it will eventualy)

If Slovenia can gather a decent fronline, that's all needed, IMO, cause they have the best guard prospect upside in Europe, I think. Samar, Glas, Ivankovic, Urban Klavzar, Osojnik, Jan Vide. Assuming Doncic stays active for another 10 years, Slovenia is in very comfortable position to fight for top spots.

Even if my desire for that to be the case, might cloud my judgement a little bit, I think we should be fine. With some luck, even more than just fine
The dangers here are still lack of role-players, due to big time scorers being in favour all the time and lacking the depth as far as development pool is concerned, kids being labeled as talented or untalented way to soon (that's pretty common issue everywhere, I hear), injuries and hasty career decisions that area lot of times promoted by managers and of course parents.

However "2017" and Dončič wave is appearing out there. Kids play basketball a lot again, just as it was the case in the 90ies and that's the key. When every 5th kid dreams of being a basketball player, it's hard not to develop some of those eventualy...

[Ridirkulous]

I didn't know Braunschweig was owned by Schroeder, good to know and pay attention to them.

I thought that Ulm was kind of special in this way, since I remember they had some nice performing youngsters in the rotation when Olimpija played them. Not neccesarily superstar material, but those are overated compared to what decently talented players mean for the league, national team and other players.

Yes Dennis first invested in his childhood club, then bought it completely. He said he now wants to convince Daniel Theis to play together with him there when they are 35 and too old for the NBA, and win the Bundesliga. I am curious as to how the salary payments will work...

Ulm has that long-standing reputation, still. But now they are launching foreign talents rather than Germans, like Hayes, and Nunez next year.

Question on Slovenian talents. How are the big-men? You had a battery of great bigs in Rasho, Smodis, E. Lorbek, Uros Slokar, Brezec. All in the same generation. Where are their kids?

[pohani komarac]

For Croatia is very important development of young players of loaded generations of 99.-03., but for the first time most of them are not in hands of Croatian coaches so this is something new and it could be good thing. And it depends who will take over Croatian federation and who will be new coach. And after long time we have top prospects at PG position in Gnjidic and Kučić.

Good thing lots of players are in Misko development clubs Mega and Studentski center so all of them will have big roles next season

PG was very critical position last decade. Gnjidić and Kučić are both high level prospects. Gnjidić is like Planinić level prospect, but he has problems with a lack of alpha man mentality. If he can put this togheter he has a chance to be great. Next season in Cedevita for him is the season of truth. Can he play under pressure? Kučić is oposite. He has brains and balls, but is a late bloomer and he is catching up. IF we add Radovčić, Mavra and Kalajžić who are developing as potential good players for 10-15 min this position could become good for us

SG is critical for us far more than PG. M. Drežnjak is developing into good role player and that is about it. There is kid named Filip Bjelanović 2002 that has hoops and hops, and non of you herd for him because he was sacked from all NT's because to put it short he is desroying him self, but if he somehow decides to dedicate himself to basketball he can become star. But other than Drežnjak who is rolle player prospect, we have no one close to NT. And other prospects like Runjić are more like Drežnjak or just not so promising

At SF Boris Tišma will have an important role for Studentski and if he finally stays healthy he might prove why he was among the best 02. prospects. Also Duško Vujošević will mentor kids in Studentski center so that can be only plus for Prospects there. Leo Menalo signed with Virtus. is another star-level prospect with soft mentality. I don't expect him to have big role for Virtus in EL. He should choose lover level club, but you never know. I. Perasović will have big role for Cibona, but I am not a big fan of him at pro level. With them Luka Božić who was a good prospect for 96. Croatia will have a monster season for Zadar, but it looks he is player for lover-level clubs. T. Nakić moved to ACB league so we will see. He is good bet to become good player for some roles With maturing or never maturing Hezonja SF position is either star or bust

At PF only God knows what is with Šamanić. Spurs gave up on him, and then he played like a monster in G league before the injury. Now he is without club, but it's not too late for him to get back on track. R. Prkačin moved to Girona and if anyone can develop a young player it's Aito. I don't think he has the tools to become superstar he was promised at age of 16, but he will do OK. Rudan will be one of the most important players for Mega and he should develop into a good player. Also 04. Jelavić moved to Mega and frankly he is our most talented PF. There is Tomislav Buljan who moved to Juventud this season. He has the toughness and is a good prospect too. Not a star, but I believe in this kid, because he is not soft. With this core and 98. born D. Drežnjak who is developing good and should become a potential player for 10-15 min and recoverd D. Šarić who did not become a star, but is good player we should be OK at PF

At Center Matković already developed into good player and he is sort of what a modern center looks like. If he adds 3PT shoot he is set to be high-level role player. The perfect compliment to old-school Zubac and Žižić type of bigs. With them, Branković is on loan with Mega from Bayern and he should develop good. He is already a borderline NT player. The only problem is that he might be too tall to play basketball as modern bigs are not 220. Then there are Ivišić twins. Tomislav will be starting center for Studentski this season I guess, while more talented Zvonimir is again injured. With these guys and Zubac, Žižić and even Bender who is now center this position is locked with good players for years. Not stars, but good.



Now, this makes do or go home for Croatia literally. Because these generations really have lots of talents, but there is a huge hole after 03. without too many prospects. There is a hype that Luka Ukić, son of Roko is the new Luka Dončić level prospect, but he is way too young. This could forever shoot down our basketball from the elite because there is a huge decline of young kids picking up a basketball. Key problems are for future first we need to find new leaders of our federation. After we need a new coach. And then we need to find new leaders. Šarić and Hezonja busted and did not prove they can be that, while from this deep list of prospects only 3 of them can really become stars, but there have big question marks. Gnjidić and Menalo have skill set and athletic abilities for star level, but they are soft as hell. While Tišma has skill set and can take over, but first is a bit too passive at times and 2nd he is a bit too unathletic.

So very uncertain times for Croatia ahead that can lead to the total collapse of once sport that was so big in our country.

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