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    Originally posted by janketa View Post
    We are leading just because this good and very underated guy Osmani. And he is still just 24y
    What is the deal with this guy? Is he like Ermal Kuqo "Kurtoglu", or did he emigrate to Turkey as a kid at least?

    I guess when he is 35 and you don't need him anymore, FIBA will let him play for Albania, the joke organisation that they are...

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    Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
    What is the deal with this guy? Is he like Ermal Kuqo "Kurtoglu", or did he emigrate to Turkey as a kid at least?

    I guess when he is 35 and you don't need him anymore, FIBA will let him play for Albania, the joke organisation that they are...
    As I know he is here from young age, there was post here about him from Furkan if I remember.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
      What is the deal with this guy? Is he like Ermal Kuqo "Kurtoglu", or did he emigrate to Turkey as a kid at least?

      I guess when he is 35 and you don't need him anymore, FIBA will let him play for Albania, the joke organisation that they are...
      He was born in Albania, Wiki tells me he started basketball in 2013 in Turkey (Bandirma)
      Dilimde şarkıların gündüz gece
      Deli gibi aşığız Fenerbahçe
      Bu dünyayı yakarız senin için
      Şampiyonluk gelince

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
        What is the deal with this guy? Is he like Ermal Kuqo "Kurtoglu", or did he emigrate to Turkey as a kid at least?

        I guess when he is 35 and you don't need him anymore, FIBA will let him play for Albania, the joke organisation that they are...
        He has been playing for Banvit (their youth team) since age 15-16... I dont know what age he moved exactly but definitely as kid and a product of Turkish BB. However, regardless of age, many Balkan muslims have identity relating them to Turkey due to Ottoman heritage. Even the founder of the state was from the Balkans...

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        • #5
          As a Bandirma fan I have to explain it I suppose. Osmani came with 13 year old to Turkey. He never played for Albania. He tried it with Efes, didnt make it and went to Bandirma.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
            He has been playing for Banvit (their youth team) since age 15-16... I dont know what age he moved exactly but definitely as kid and a product of Turkish BB. However, regardless of age, many Balkan muslims have identity relating them to Turkey due to Ottoman heritage. Even the founder of the state was from the Balkans...
            I guess I will leave that statement there unanswered since it's a sports forum, despite my Albanian heritage telling me different stories...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
              I guess I will leave that statement there unanswered since it's a sports forum, despite my Albanian heritage telling me different stories...
              I didnt say all Balkan muslims, they are a minority and most of them prefer playing for Turkey for a reason, and the majority even moved to Turkey and is living here. In your case you are of a regular Albanian background with a different stance... that’s fine, but you don’t represent the diversity of backgrounds and beliefs in your country by yourself. There’s even Orthodox Albanians many of whom are hostile to Turkey.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
                He has been playing for Banvit (their youth team) since age 15-16... I dont know what age he moved exactly but definitely as kid and a product of Turkish BB. However, regardless of age, many Balkan muslims have identity relating them to Turkey due to Ottoman heritage. Even the founder of the state was from the Balkans...
                No need to discuss much on neo-ottomanist myths. Osmani's move was like that of Peskanovic's, Spahi's, Kuqo's, or Ibaka's or Mirotic's, etc., same story.
                5 out 6 scientists say Russian roulette is safe.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
                  I didnt say all Balkan muslims, they are a minority and most of them prefer playing for Turkey for a reason, and the majority even moved to Turkey and is living here. In your case you are of a regular Albanian background with a different stance... that’s fine, but you don’t represent the diversity of backgrounds and beliefs in your country by yourself. There’s even Orthodox Albanians many of whom are hostile to Turkey.
                  Yeah, yeah, whatever. I guess I am removed enough from my heritage to not care about these nuances in any case.

                  Back to basketball, Bosnia is playing great today too.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Levenspiel View Post
                    No need to discuss much on neo-ottomanist myths. Osmani's move was like that of Peskanovic's, Spahi's, Kuqo's, or Ibaka's or Mirotic's, etc., same story.
                    It’s not a myth if you heard it out of their own mouths. Comparing Mirotic to Osmani is ridiculous. The proof is in the pudding they say, you just have to bother to look or listen.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
                      Yeah, yeah, whatever. I guess I am removed enough from my heritage to not care about these nuances in any case.

                      Back to basketball, Bosnia is playing great today too.
                      Yes and either way it doesn’t matter the fact is he was raised in Turkey and plays for Turkey by his own choice (even though his chances to be called up are much slimmer, he wasn’t even on the roster prior to Yurtseven calling off.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
                        It’s not a myth if you heard it out of their own mouths. Comparing Mirotic to Osmani is ridiculous. The proof is in the pudding they say, you just have to bother to look or listen.
                        I think also Niko Mirotic's connection with Spain is very real and tangible. I think putting religion in is tricky.

                        If Luka Doncic had decided to play for Spain, that would be acceptable too. A bit unfair to Slovenia, but personally acceptable.

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                        • #13
                          Osmani got his BB education in Turkey and he decided to play for Turkey. Period.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ridirkulous View Post
                            I think also Niko Mirotic's connection with Spain is very real and tangible. I think putting religion in is tricky.

                            If Luka Doncic decided to play for Spain, that would be acceptable too. A bit unfair to Slovenia, but personally acceptable.
                            It depends what the angle of approach is, strictly focusing on them being born in country X but raised (also in terms of basketball) in country Y, yes, but I was more aiming for the historic connection that has shown communities in the Balkans associate themselves and even assimilate within modern Turkish society, due to historic dynamics.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
                              It’s not a myth if you heard it out of their own mouths. Comparing Mirotic to Osmani is ridiculous. The proof is in the pudding they say, you just have to bother to look or listen.
                              We discussed this topic too many times. I welcome all Balkan immigrants, for humanitarian or even economical reasons. They have enriched our nation for centuries.

                              But, what's happening in basketball is different. It is probably easier to convince muslims, but we have been doing the same trick with Serbians (Dusan Cantekin, etc), Russians (Valentin Pastal and his brother, Selim Saygın etc), and even with Nigerians now with Bona. That's why it is similar to Mirotic case. This mindset is problematic. Anyway, I am in a tiny minority in this case.
                              5 out 6 scientists say Russian roulette is safe.

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