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  • #76
    Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
    For France I have the feeling that they are overrated same like Lithuania and Greece being (heavily) underrated btw.

    Will be interesting to see France. Strong team by names. Curious how this will look like.
    France is not underrated. It's NBA players can perform well under FIBA rules. While Giannis for example tends to loose a notch compared to the NBA. At least with the previous coaching staff. He will definitely be better under Itoudis. But I believe that Greece without Itoudis could be a medal contender even without Giannis. Perhaps not this tournament. I think Itoudis needs more time.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by R1ou View Post
      I also think Turkey is borderline top-8 team, however I consider Italy and Croatia to be above them with a full roster. France, Serbia, Lithuania, Greece, Slovenia and Spain are also a level above them.
      Somewhat agree but I’d take out Croatia and Greece and replace it with the Czech.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Victorious View Post
        France is not underrated. It's NBA players can perform well under FIBA rules. While Giannis for example tends to loose a notch compared to the NBA. At least with the previous coaching staff. He will definitely be better under Itoudis. But I believe that Greece without Itoudis could be a medal contender even without Giannis. Perhaps not this tournament. I think Itoudis needs more time.
        I didn't say that France is underrated, I said that in my perception that they are overrated.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
          Somewhat agree but I’d take out Croatia and Greece and replace it with the Czech.
          Nevermind Greece could still beat Turkey in every possible scenario, with them either being more talented or not
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          • #80
            Originally posted by R1ou View Post
            Nevermind Greece could still beat Turkey in every possible scenario, with them either being more talented or not
            What are you trying to say lol. I mean in Canada many of Turkeys players literally debuted and played together for the first time ever. If you’re basing your entire hopes on that one match you will be mistaken. Why don’t you take your match against Brazil as an example instead then.

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            • #81
              In Canada a full Turkish roster got blown by 20 points while just recently Greece did the double on you. Anyway I guess you should better focus on beating Latvia and Belgium because you guys are in danger of missing the World cup
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              • #82
                Originally posted by R1ou View Post
                In Canada a full Turkish roster got blown by 20 points while just recently Greece did the double on you. Anyway I guess you should better focus on beating Latvia and Belgium because you guys are in danger of missing the World cup
                Man you’re childish as hell, but I’ll give you the attention you want for now.

                Firsly no, we counted on Larkin but didnt go according to plan, only amplifying the lack of chemistry that a team which never played together suffers from, because you need a proper guard for that, regardless of quality or ceiling.
                At the end Turkey blew out the team that ended top 6 at the world cup, and also qualified to Olympics by impressively beating Canada at home. This match against such a consistent and well oiled team, whom have ACTUAL RESULTS as of late, is a better indication for me about the potential of our squad for future references. You got blown out by the Czech by 30 points, and it’s for an obvious reason.

                The fact that you are celebrating a Fiba match in this current format, in which no team has their real roster is another reason why you cant be taken serious. Especially considering NBA heavy teams like Turkey are the bigger victim in contrast to countries like Greece who now have better odds at competing.

                To make it worse in 1 of your victories the win was a direct result of a stupid referee decision, that you are all but blunt about these factors it shows that you are a troll basketball fan, completely in line with the low quality basketball greece has shown us in the past 4 years (nobody even attempt to deny this).

                You too should focus on serbia, belgium and latvia, you’re all but qualified. With your other loss being to GB, and ours to Belarus which will probably get reducted due to Belarussian elimination. Possibly even political.

                It’s easy to criticize another team but maybe first hold a mirror in front of you. Your ONLY nba player is a Nigerian illegal who doesnt even care to show up most of the time, and that one time he did he got outscored by a bunch of european CL level players lol. Greece is hardly top 8.
                Last edited by Furkan Korkmaz; 03-25-2022, 09:46 AM.

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                • #83
                  I think Greece is pretty safe speaking about qualifiers. two from Belgium, Serbia, Latvia, Turkey will fail. Most probably Belgium and one additional team.

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                  • #84
                    Maybe a couple of words about the Olympic Qualifiers in Canada... I think in a face to face game between Turkey and Greece under normal circumstances Greece must still be considered as favorite. We can debate about Giannis being Nigerian and lucky shot all day long but fact is he plays for Greece.

                    On the other hand if we look at the general situation in Canada we can see something very interesting. Turkey lost to Greece by a big margin but Turkey beat the Czechs my 20 who again won against Greece with big margin. Greeks like I said are very uncomfortable for the Turkish backcourt and they are always very motivated to play against Turkey.

                    The reality is though that this is the last tournament of Calathes and Sloukas wont get any younger. So if we look at the trend Turkey is a rising basketball nation despite everything and will get even a much better team than it already has. Greece couldnt replace neither Calathes nor Sloukas. There is one interesting Greek with Panagiotis Kalaitzakis playing in Lithuania but he is more of a wing.

                    Turkey surely has other problems with coaching and tournament preparation, mental weakness etc. I am not unhappy how we performed both games against Greece without one of our main weapons. It confirms my claim that the role player side of Turkey is steadily growing. Eurobasket 22 is a new start and everything less than quarter finals is a fail.

                    WC 23 is a different story. Its a big mess of FIBA and EL.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                      I think Greece is pretty safe speaking about qualifiers. two from Belgium, Serbia, Latvia, Turkey will fail. Most probably Belgium and one additional team.
                      Based on what are they any safer than the rest? Yes they got handed a massive advantage by the referees, but If we lose the Belarussian result it’s 2-1 versus 1-2 between Turkey and Greece, and with 7 more games to go the margins are too small, leaving the road wide open to everyone. Every single match from now on matters.

                      I actually consider Serbia the least likely to fall out of the boat, due to the large euroleague/cup playerpool. In case of a brewing crisis I think they’ll find a way. I agree on Belgium, but even they are more than capable of stealing a game in this format, impacting the results, like they did to Serbia. That leaves one of Turkey, Latvia and Greece who will be eliminated. In this current horrible format anything can happen, I’m just really losing my patience with having an entirely different team and different players in the different windows and tournaments. Theres not a thing called chemistry anymore.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Furkan Korkmaz View Post
                        Based on what are they any safer than the rest? Yes they got handed a massive advantage by the referees, but If we lose the Belarussian result it’s 2-1 versus 1-2 between Turkey and Greece, and with 7 more games to go the margins are too small, leaving the road wide open to everyone. Every single match from now on matters.

                        I actually consider Serbia the least likely to fall out of the boat, due to the large euroleague/cup playerpool. In case of a brewing crisis I think they’ll find a way. I agree on Belgium, but even they are more than capable of stealing a game in this format, impacting the results, like they did to Serbia. That leaves one of Turkey, Latvia and Greece who will be eliminated. In this current horrible format anything can happen, I’m just really losing my patience with having an entirely different team and different players in the different windows and tournaments. Theres not a thing called chemistry anymore.
                        Based on what? It's my opinion, no claim I wrote "I think". I simply have a good feeling about their team and they usually make it, they have experience and good chemistry.

                        The tie-breaker with Turkey is huge, it's +2 de facto - of course anything can happen, we could beat them twice and you could beat Latvia twice and Latvia could beat I don't know whom twice etc. But if they win 2 out of 2 against Latvia they are through - I'm pretty sure, if they win one against Latvia, they are most likely in front of Latvia/Turkey. Everything can happen but this break in Istanbul was a huge one without any doubt. I don't expect Greece to lose at home against Latvia. That's their maybe crucial game, the more if Serbia beats them in Riga.

                        Generally it's up to the rosters, after June we will see how the standings will develop, it will be a nice indication. Besides all I wouldn't be surprised if three teams finish with 9-3 in this constellation.
                        Last edited by Katastroika; 03-25-2022, 02:12 PM.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                          Based on what? It's my opinion, no claim I wrote "I think". I simply have a good feeling about their team and they usually make it, they have experience and good chemistry.

                          The tie-breaker with Turkey is huge, it's +2 de facto - of course anything can happen, we could beat them twice and you could beat Latvia twice and Latvia could beat I don't know whom twice etc. But if they win 2 out of 2 against Latvia they are through - I'm pretty sure, if they win one against Latvia, they are most likely in front of Latvia/Turkey. Everything can happen but this break in Istanbul was a huge one without any doubt. I don't expect Greece to lose at home against Latvia. That's their maybe crucial game, the more if Serbia beats them in Riga.

                          Generally it's up to the rosters, after June we will see how the standings will develop, it will be a nice indication. Besides all I wouldn't be surprised if three teams finish with 9-3 in this constellation.
                          Just don't bother to reply on delusional people, this guy is just freaking out on the idea of his team missing the world cup, although with their current roster it shouldn't be a real surprise. Unless they manage to unleash a new rule and play both Wilbekin and Larkin.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Katastroika View Post
                            Based on what? It's my opinion, no claim I wrote "I think". I simply have a good feeling about their team and they usually make it, they have experience and good chemistry.

                            The tie-breaker with Turkey is huge, it's +2 de facto - of course anything can happen, we could beat them twice and you could beat Latvia twice and Latvia could beat I don't know whom twice etc. But if they win 2 out of 2 against Latvia they are through - I'm pretty sure, if they win one against Latvia, they are most likely in front of Latvia/Turkey. Everything can happen but this break in Istanbul was a huge one without any doubt. I don't expect Greece to lose at home against Latvia. That's their maybe crucial game, the more if Serbia beats them in Riga.

                            Generally it's up to the rosters, after June we will see how the standings will develop, it will be a nice indication. Besides all I wouldn't be surprised if three teams finish with 9-3 in this constellation.
                            Turkey isn't even a threat for the next window, this team was really on the verge of missing the upcoming EB to Sweden and Netherlands.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by R1ou View Post
                              Just don't bother to reply on delusional people, this guy is just freaking out on the idea of his team missing the world cup, although with their current roster it shouldn't be a real surprise. Unless they manage to unleash a new rule and play both Wilbekin and Larkin.
                              Serbs are delusional by theirselves in this window FIBA windows - no worries, I don't consider his reply delusional at all.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Toruko View Post
                                We can debate about Giannis being Nigerian and lucky shot all day long but fact is he plays for Greece.
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                                Specially from Turkey's position "naturalizing" random American...
                                LTU NT will snatch Eurobasket 2029 title with this roster:

                                Jokubaitis, Marciulionis, Laurencikas
                                Indrusaitis, Brazdeikis, Rubstavicius
                                Buzelis, Lelevicius
                                Murauskas, Sirvydis
                                Tubelis, Krivas

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