Preparation Games for Eurobasket 2011

[Kalashnikov]

I didn't watch the game, but I don't think that when those two NT are playing each other, Turkey will be not serious.

Turkey played so bad, that in the end, none of the teams got any useful conclusion from the match...

hopefully, today's match against the Germans will give more infromation

[Debord]

I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...

one must be dumb to do that. what can be the outcome of hiding? will they still hide when the tournament begins? so that other contenders can't see their super secret awesome sets haha.

[banou7]

I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...
Can't explain this match otherwise...

Iskoch what is the purpose of a preperation game if not to work on your systems? I'm not saying that a team has to expose every detail of it's masterplan. I'm just underlining that at this point you have to work in order to find chemistry

[iskoch]

The main Turkey's problem is the PG position.
Tunceri is poor, Arselan in more SG and Ilyasova and Hido, best as they are, need PG to be efective.

It (early maybe to compare) is like Pilsen. Great team with no PG's...

You can't explain this with having bad PG, this team has a lot of set plays, right?
But we didn't see any of them yesterday, they just did what I said maybe 50 times.
It's not normal...

Iskoch what is the purpose of a preperation game if not to work on your systems? I'm not saying that a team has to expose every detail of it's masterplan. I'm just underlining that at this point you have to work in order to find chemistry

You are right but I can't explain doing the same thing 50 times and not playing any set play during 40 mins otherwise...

You don't have to be a team for playing screen-pass-shot, when you come together with 2 other guys first time, don't you also do it?
This is a NT and playing with each other for a long time, impossible to think they don't have anything else to play...

one must be dumb to do that. what can be the outcome of hiding? will they still hide when the tournament begins? so that other contenders can't see their super secret awesome sets haha.

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...

[banou7]

You are right but I can't explain doing the same thing 50 times and not playing any set play during 40 mins otherwise...

You don't have to be a team for playing screen-pass-shot, when you come together with 2 other guys first time, don't you also do it?
This is a NT and playing with each other for a long time, impossible to think they don't have anything else to play...

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...

There is no doubt that what we saw was abnormal. My objection lays on the cause: I don't think that it was a strategy move (trying to make things fuzzy and hide all of the systems). I suppose Turkey's coach was held hostitage by the appetite of turkish stars...

[Kalashnikov]

basically, what I saw yesterday from the turkish team, is a uni-dimensional game. i.e. depending on who's in, the ball will go there.

For example, when Turkoglu is in, the ball will go to him and he will take a screen and shoot. When, Ilyashova is in, the same.
When Asik is in, there will be a pic-n-roll, and he will try to get close to the basket will a shorter opponent.

These are all great on paper, but a team who did its homework, will find out millions of ways to counter the Turkish attacks.

There is no off-the-ball movement, no diversity and imagination in attacks...

I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.

[Debord]

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...

The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT topic;

There is something serious is going on with turkey. It's not about their basketball(there is none anyway). They look like they don't wanna be there! Hope it's not a power struggle in the team again like it happened a few years ago. Once we start having more than 1-2 players with bigger egos, it is kinda inevitable to happen. Also winning a medal has always been a curse for turkish players in maybe every sports. they give up so easily afterwards.

[iskoch]

The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT topic;

There is no doubt that what we saw was abnormal. My objection lays on the cause: I don't think that it was a strategy move (trying to make things fuzzy and hide all of the systems). I suppose Turkey's coach was held hostitage by the appetite of turkish stars...

Shortly we have a strange team.
I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say.

[banou7]

I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.

Couldn't agree more. Yes, zone defense could be one of the sets that could have been hidden. Especially if you consider that greek teams have traditionally problems facing zone defense.

But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...

I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say.

Of course this is the right attitude. We are only judging from the problematic picture that we have seen so far. I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall

[plato-ny]

I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall

Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...

[banou7]

Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...

That is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that last year's preparation games were awful and they did manage to find chemistry during the Worldchampionship. I think that the victory against Greece was the psychological turning point of the hosts in their way to the Final.

[baelor]

Oh, and if somehow D.Lavrinovic won't be cut from this team... He's such an useless player both defensively and offensively

agree. he is wothless...

[vaslover]

David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...

[baelor]

David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...

yes he is but that was true, wasn't it?

[kololoco]

But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...

As opposed to...
I have yet to see a easily flowing team offence from Turkey in the last ten years since they have become relevant. The main reason for this is that in all this time not once did they have a good ball distributing playmaker. When they had good defence they had good results, when not bad, but the offence was always the same: give the ball to the star and hope he makes something out of it. When you look at their team every single player from their starting five is a top 5 player at his position in Europe. But as a team they just dont click. If they traded Turkoglu for Teodosic for instance they would be a 75% better team.