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  • well, nah... it's that one IF...

    if only Dragič would be healthy. Nothing more nothing less. You can discus 01', 03' or 05' for as long as you want as far as I am concerned, but EC 09' is all about Dragič's injury when it comes to Slovenia's result. It can be considered debatable only by those that haven't yet seen Dragič play with the NT.
    Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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    • Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
      Italy has an awful national team. They have been awful for years. It's basically because Belinelli and Bargnani are horrible, horrible, horrible players.

      Both of them are the worst defensive player at their position of any European national team. Both of them are the biggest ball hogs and most selfish players of any players on any European national team.

      Bargnani is also the worst rebounding big man in history.

      They are both also enormous chuckers and have horrific shot selection.

      On top of that, Belinelli is an egomaniac and has a bad attitude. Neither of them knows what a pass is, nor what team play is. They take black hole to another level.

      Pianigiani is a very good coach, but he can't get such players in line. The only thing that can save Italy's national team is to get rid of Belinelli and Bargnani.

      They are even worse FIBA players than Turkoglu is, and that is almost incomprehensible. If Italy just kicked them off their team, as they should, then they would start winning again.

      After they fail again with the new coach, it should not be long until they do kick them both off the team.


      You have some points but i wouldn't be so negative... i think Belinelli is the only ball hog in this team and Pianigiani can't do much about that. Bargnani is slowly improving since last year... you can't get rid of Belinelli because he's our only talented guard while the new generation (Gentile) may be more egomaniac than Marco!

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      • Originally posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
        well, nah... it's that one IF...

        if only Dragič would be healthy. Nothing more nothing less. You can discus 01', 03' or 05' for as long as you want as far as I am concerned, but EC 09' is all about Dragič's injury when it comes to Slovenia's result. It can be considered debatable only by those that haven't yet seen Dragič play with the NT.
        ...if DD was not injured in 2009, if Papaloukas had participated instead of Kalampokis , ...perhaps Greece could have won the gold. Very funny discussion.

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        • Originally posted by Adon View Post
          ...if DD was not injured in 2009, if Papaloukas had participated instead of Kalampokis , ...perhaps Greece could have won the gold. Very funny discussion.
          Don't care, about what would happen if perhaps blablabla... Dragič was there for the whole championship, had some superb performances and got injured in the process. Populary claiming (surprisingly overall by Greeks) it was a mental issue of the team and not a matter of Dragič's injury is plain arogance. If we didn't have him in the team from the start, we wouldn't get to the knock out stage in the first place, it doesn't take a genious to calculate Slovenian chances for medals when he gets injured.
          Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
          That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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          • Originally posted by Adon View Post
            ...if DD was not injured in 2009, if Papaloukas had participated instead of Kalampokis , ...perhaps Greece could have won the gold. Very funny discussion.
            Two completely different things.
            Dragic played great in first half of the tournament, then got injured.

            Papaloukas and Diamantidis were not on roster at all. Your if's were impossible to happen. That is funny.

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            • Originally posted by ArnoldPettybone View Post
              You can exemplify how much you like, but he is 100% right.
              Israel without Casspi and the expansion to 24 teams would barely survive the additional qualifying tournament to spare relegation to div B.
              Oh, really? So what has this team been doing without Casspi all the years before?

              Besides, he wasn't talking about Casspi but about the Israeli NT.
              burnstein

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              • Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                Italy has an awful national team. They have been awful for years. It's basically because Belinelli and Bargnani are horrible, horrible, horrible players.

                Both of them are the worst defensive player at their position of any European national team. Both of them are the biggest ball hogs and most selfish players of any players on any European national team.

                Bargnani is also the worst rebounding big man in history.

                They are both also enormous chuckers and have horrific shot selection.

                On top of that, Belinelli is an egomaniac and has a bad attitude. Neither of them knows what a pass is, nor what team play is. They take black hole to another level.

                Pianigiani is a very good coach, but he can't get such players in line. The only thing that can save Italy's national team is to get rid of Belinelli and Bargnani.

                They are even worse FIBA players than Turkoglu is, and that is almost incomprehensible. If Italy just kicked them off their team, as they should, then they would start winning again.

                After they fail again with the new coach, it should not be long until they do kick them both off the team.
                man shut up, your negastive nonsense on this site about all teams is s annoying, especially for someone from britain, the only country can be described as awful and no history in bball...go play cricket...italy is ranked 7 in fiba world, britain 700,
                italy has underacheived recently and lacks players like in past but your poitns are just rude and completely off target.

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                • Originally posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post
                  Don't care, about what would happen if perhaps blablabla... Dragič was there for the whole championship, had some superb performances and got injured in the process. Populary claiming (surprisingly overall by Greeks) it was a mental issue of the team and not a matter of Dragič's injury is plain arogance. If we didn't have him in the team from the start, we wouldn't get to the knock out stage in the first place, it doesn't take a genious to calculate Slovenian chances for medals when he gets injured.
                  You started your previous post with a big "if" but you "don't care, about what would happen if perhaps blablabla..."

                  Originally posted by Silvio View Post
                  Two completely different things.
                  Dragic played great in first half of the tournament, then got injured.

                  Papaloukas and Diamantidis were not on roster at all. Your if's were impossible to happen. That is funny.
                  Ok then,let's use your "logic".
                  If Spanoulis was not exhausted, Slovenia would have lost by 20.
                  If Sofo was not super, Slovenia would have won easily, even without Dragic,
                  ....if....if....if.....
                  Whatever. This "if" discussion means nothing to me.

                  PS Turkey should have won the silver and Slovenia the bronze, or vice versa ?

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                  • Originally posted by Adon View Post
                    You started your previous post with a big "if" but you "don't care, about what would happen if perhaps blablabla..."



                    Ok then,let's use your "logic".
                    If Spanoulis was not exhausted, Slovenia would have lost by 20.
                    If Sofo was not super, Slovenia would have won easily, even without Dragic,
                    ....if....if....if.....
                    Whatever. This "if" discussion means nothing to me.

                    PS Turkey should have won the silver and Slovenia the bronze, or vice versa ?
                    Now I really don't know if you're just irritating on purpouse or you really just don't get it?
                    It's not an IF thing as you'd like to believe in your despicable lack of arguements, as those are facts here. I am not stating Slovenia would win bronze, silver or gold if Dragič wouldn't get injured, the way you are claiming for Greece in your examples, all I am saying is that it's completely arogant claiming not winning those was a matter of mentality when we got Dragič injured on the bench.

                    Now I don't feel like repeating this over and over again, if you feel like further explanation, read my last three posts all over again as I've got nothing (polite) more to add.
                    Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
                    That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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                    • Originally posted by Joško Poljak Fan View Post


                      Now I don't feel like repeating this over and over again, if you feel like further explanation, read my last three posts all over again as I've got nothing (polite) more to add.
                      No, thanks. As I've told you, I don't care anymore about this "if" discussion

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                      • Originally posted by Adon View Post
                        No, thanks. As I've told you, I don't care anymore about this "if" discussion
                        It's a matter of arogance claiming a team underperforms in the knock out stages, when they've got one of two by far best players injured during the process.

                        Now how does that sound, without your beloved "IF theory" for a change?
                        Originally posted by Jon_Koncak
                        That's funny shit.I cant believe there are sports fans thinking like it.It's like Federer losing to random Japanese player in round 1 of French Open but tournament director stepping in and saying "hey it was a fluke win who wants to watch a random Japanese guy in next round,Federer qualifies"

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                        • I believe we will be better in next 10 days.we played without key players like Tunçeri,Hedo(injured),Ömer Aşık and Semih Erden.we are nothing without defence around the rim and we looked very weak on the defence and we couldn't defend Serbian,Ukrainian and German centers... I am nort very hopeful about our Eurobasket performance... If we go to quarter finals,It will be great for you... But I want to believe we can do some surprises if Erden,Aşık,Tunçeri and Güler come back...
                          If we talk about Enes Kanter... I am very upset and my thoughts about Kanter completely had changed.He is too slow when drives to inside without ball... he couldn't grab the rebounds but He was rebound monster in the past!!! I don't think he will become a NBA star.He can only become good European center becuz he is too slow and his playing style reminds me 90s centers... at the moment, Centers have similar features to forwards unlike Enes Kanter.comparing Kanter to Valanciunas? No,imposible.Jonas is many times better than Kanter.He is explosive,athletic and tall... If he adds some special post moves to his games,I cannot dream his future... Some Turkish guys never accept that Jonas is better because of their nationalistic emotions but that is the reality... I watch Jonas's videos from against Spain,Czech Republic and Russia.Czech match is not important becuz their team was the third team but Jonas played like a elite European center against Spain and Russia.I admire of his energy.He also made some great post moves during the match up between him and block monster Ibaka...
                          I think Spain is the favourite team of the tournament... they look very prepaired and they always take the momentum during the match... Maybe Serbia or France can say ''stop'' to them... Lithunia is not very good team at the moment but They will be favourite in the next 5 year with Jonas and Donatas...

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                          • Originally posted by FIBA Europe Basket View Post
                            Italy has an awful national team. They have been awful for years. It's basically because Belinelli and Bargnani are horrible, horrible, horrible players.

                            Both of them are the worst defensive player at their position of any European national team. Both of them are the biggest ball hogs and most selfish players of any players on any European national team.

                            Bargnani is also the worst rebounding big man in history.

                            They are both also enormous chuckers and have horrific shot selection.

                            On top of that, Belinelli is an egomaniac and has a bad attitude. Neither of them knows what a pass is, nor what team play is. They take black hole to another level.

                            Pianigiani is a very good coach, but he can't get such players in line. The only thing that can save Italy's national team is to get rid of Belinelli and Bargnani.

                            They are even worse FIBA players than Turkoglu is, and that is almost incomprehensible. If Italy just kicked them off their team, as they should, then they would start winning again.

                            After they fail again with the new coach, it should not be long until they do kick them both off the team.
                            I agree that Bargnani is defense & rebounding garbage,but without him & Belineli,Italy would probably be the worst team in Lithuania.

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                            • Originally posted by turk-jugoslav View Post
                              I think Spain is the favourite team of the tournament... they look very prepaired and they always take the momentum during the match... Maybe Serbia or France can say ''stop'' to them... Lithunia is not very good team at the moment but They will be favourite in the next 5 year with Jonas and Donatas...

                              Lithuania's alright. They've clearly shown they can play.

                              Anyway, winning these exhibition games is a thirdly objective at best. One shouldn't really put an equality sign between Lithuania in a preparation mood and Lithuania in front of >10k of it's fans going for the title.

                              Even the miserable 2009 Lith' team whooped Spanish arses badly in a hot arena.

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                              • Does anyone have the boxscore of Canada-Belgium friendly (79-74) or just the points scored?there are plenty of reports about the game,but not a single one including boxscore or points by each player scored..so frustrating.

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