Players that we can have naturalized

[analyzed]

JC might not play on qualifiers though, we also need somebody who can

maybe not all ( Kouame will ) but i think in 2022 ( July window) and possibly Asian games if schedule permits for NBA it may be possible, it's important he learns to play well with his new teamates

[NOiNU]

it's not important if JC is the default 3, but the best opposing wing defender of 2nd tier world level team will be assigned to him (normally a 6'5 ish guy, SF) so opponents transitioning from defense to offense, if opponent's SG is to defend JC, they have to cross switch when transitioning from defense to offense, while this may sound trivial it isn't especially for teams like the Philippines that normally don't have size at both wing spots, this is why having 2 wings both around 6' 5 is a significant upgrade for Gilas and other Asian teams ( which isn't the norm really)

Why would teams’ best wing defender has to come from the sf spot—because you say so or because your argument needs it to be? Stop making things up. Even the NBA has a wide variety when it comes to its best perimeter defender in Beverly, Smart and Kawhi.

Also, you are flip flopping or contradicting yourself again by saying that, because your initial contention was he would gain advantage by being guarded by a sf rather than a guard. That was the one thing that I called out by saying no coach would put his sf to Clarkson when he can simply put him on the slower Dwight/Parks. Now why would Clarkson gain advantage when you “imagine“ SFs are normally the best wing defenders?

Of course I agree that having decent sized wings in Gilas pool now is an upgrade.

[Alex07]

JC might not play on qualifiers though, we also need somebody who can

good thing lets not think of JC's eligibility as a problem as for the moment but i do hope the SBP is working to get it done.Mukhang gusto ng kalaban na naturalized lang si JC trans: i do hope JC becomes a local.SBP should do evrything they can.

[BJ_Reloaded]

good thing lets not think of JC's eligibility as a problem as for the moment but i do hope the SBP is working to get it done.Mukhang gusto ng kalaban na naturalized lang si JC trans: i do hope JC becomes a local.SBP should do evrything they can.

SIr Alex, I think the best option for JC is the suggestion(?) of the late Patrick Baumann during his meeting with MVP that 1 heritage player and 1 naturalized player but they still need to get some votes to the other FIBA member countries before they could lobby such provision without compromising the existing rules and regulation e.g. the before 16 year old passport.

[analyzed]

Why would teams’ best wing defender has to come from the sf spot—because you say so or because your argument needs it to be? Stop making things up. Even the NBA has a wide variety when it comes to its best perimeter defender in Beverly, Smart and Kawhi.

Also, you are flip flopping or contradicting yourself again by saying that, because your initial contention was he would gain advantage by being guarded by a sf rather than a guard. That was the one thing that I called out by saying no coach would put his sf to Clarkson when he can simply put him on the slower Dwight/Parks. Now why would Clarkson gain advantage when you “imagine“ SFs are normally the best wing defenders?

Of course I agree that having decent sized wings in Gilas pool now is an upgrade.

They don't need to come from SF spot but
It's simple look at the roster line ups of most Asia Pacific teams, and who of the 2 wing positions will be most likely guarding Clarkson, it's normally the SF due to lack of size of SG in Asia (take NZ who starts Corey and Abercombrie), certainly its Abercombrie who will guard Clarkson, this is not make up, it is actually in the scouting report for most Asian level teams. That's how you capitalize in the overall length one might have if you have two perimeter players with length and athleticim.
You talk like you know things, have you even seen the scouting reports and game plans on Asian teams, it isn't my fault if these things are new to you and your unaware of them and therefor think they're made up.
You talk a lot but you actually don't know shit! And if things are not comprehendable by you or unfamiliar, it must be made up.
The basic concept is 2 and 3 spots are best when both players are interchangable rather than being caught in mismatch when one is undersize, as wings normally spread the court on opposite sides if you can't switch when transitioning it's a disadvantage that can be exploited by teams with 2 wings with length especially if they're capable scorers (BTW watching Utah today there were stretches when JC, Mitchel and Conley were on the court together and they played well

Note also the context of my original contention about SF's guarding JC, with fear he would be mismatched because of height, I said it's fine as I'd rather have a slow SF guard him, than a natural wing with speed.
We're talking about the context of rival FIBA teams here, not NBA player like Kawhi which is obviously a problem and mismatch

[mathematicianrcg]

SIr Alex, I think the best option for JC is the suggestion(?) of the late Patrick Baumann during his meeting with MVP that 1 heritage player and 1 naturalized player but they still need to get some votes to the other FIBA member countries before they could lobby such provision without compromising the existing rules and regulation e.g. the before 16 year old passport.

That is the only way now that we can play JC and Cmac at tge same time

[qwertyz]

I don’t really see how Jordan Clarkson can be recognised as a local one day. I see Ange as more of a “local”. A pool of naturalized players with JC, Cmac, Brownlee and Kouame should be good enough. Is Andray Blatche still under contract? Maybe could be useful for a few low tier teams of other countries.

Btw if naturalized filipinos Like Blatche, Douthit, Engelland etc. had sons, would they be eligible To obtain a Filipino passport before 16?

[analyzed]

Has anyone watched the Spurs lately? With the injury of Aldridge, they moved Derozen to the 4 spot, with 3 guards (White, Dejonte and walker), suprise its worked out effectively. (not saying they wil be contenders or anything)

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sa

But alot can be said of the benefits of overall length and versatility switchiness, with interchangeable roles, players who can play and guard 2 positions (combo guard, 2/3 wing and combo forward)
This changes your competivness and this is actually where the Philippines is weak

[Silent Killer]

I don’t really see how Jordan Clarkson can be recognised as a local one day. I see Ange as more of a “local”. A pool of naturalized players with JC, Cmac, Brownlee and Kouame should be good enough. Is Andray Blatche still under contract? Maybe could be useful for a few low tier teams of other countries.

Btw if naturalized filipinos Like Blatche, Douthit, Engelland etc. had sons, would they be eligible To obtain a Filipino passport before 16?

Our ineligibles can be our NP.. the likes of hepa, QMB, remy, JC..

[NOiNU]

They don't need to come from SF spot but
It's simple look at the roster line ups of most Asia Pacific teams, and who of the 2 wing positions will be most likely guarding Clarkson, it's normally the SF due to lack of size of SG in Asia (take NZ who starts Corey and Abercombrie), certainly its Abercombrie who will guard Clarkson, this is not make up, it is actually in the scouting report for most Asian level teams. That's how you capitalize in the overall length one might have if you have two perimeter players with length and athleticim.
You talk like you know things, have you even seen the scouting reports and game plans on Asian teams, it isn't my fault if these things are new to you and your unaware of them and therefor think they're made up.
You talk a lot but you actually don't know shit! And if things are not comprehendable by you or unfamiliar, it must be made up.
The basic concept is 2 and 3 spots are best when both players are interchangable rather than being caught in mismatch when one is undersize, as wings normally spread the court on opposite sides if you can't switch when transitioning it's a disadvantage that can be exploited by teams with 2 wings with length especially if they're capable scorers (BTW watching Utah today there were stretches when JC, Mitchel and Conley were on the court together and they played well

Note also the context of my original contention about SF's guarding JC, with fear he would be mismatched because of height, I said it's fine as I'd rather have a slow SF guard him, than a natural wing with speed.
We're talking about the context of rival FIBA teams here, not NBA player like Kawhi which is obviously a problem and mismatch

You get pissed off again. Tsk. It wasn’t me who said the best wing defender normally comes from the sf slot, it was you.

You have the luxury of having seen scouting reports but you don’t really know what to make of it. If I don’t know shit, what does that make you? I don’t have to look at any scouting repots as I am capable of making my own if I want to.

I talk a lot? Just look at our number of posts. What does that make you. Lol

This is why I am threading the needle whenever I engage you. You throw reason and objectivity out of the window because you always take it personally. I’m sorry if I have the guts to call you out and disagree on SOME of your takes. I didn’t get the memo I wasn’t supposed to.

Sabi ko na nga ba eh. Tsk....

[Alex07]

Our ineligibles can be our NP.. the likes of hepa, QMB, remy, JC..

i may sound like a broken record but i have to agree with coach kalbo(with all due respect) this time.we need Clarkson and a naturalized player,preferably McCullough.Why McCullough? Chris Mc will be a very good match up against either Watanabe and Hachimura which I think is the Asian Qualifiers gold standard for forward tweeners.

McCullough simply have the height,length,skill and experience to be a very good naturalized player.He has KD numbers in terms if length and height,6'9 and 1/2 with a 7'3 wingspan, thats a very good height and length for a small forward in NBA standards.Imagine that playing in the wings.He will not be forced to play small forward because he's used to play in the wings in the G league and in Korea.He has a very decent ball handling and has very fluid movements where he doesn't look like a big and he could even run the break.He looks a more natural wing than Rosario,Tamayo or whoever big that you want to revert to small forward position.

He has good 3 point percentage and a very good spot up shooter. Clarkson can actually play dribble drive plays where he could pass the ball to McCullough in the wings when they get to double team him.That being mentioned,the opponents will be forced to play zone where Kai,Clarkson,Edu and McCullough can all Knicks down the three point shot.With that kind of height and skill,it will be a nightmare scenario for any teams aside from the US,Serbia,Australia and Spain. We could play against G league teams or summer league teams and I think we could compete well with this kind of lineup.

[NOiNU]

i may sound like a broken record but i have to agree with coach kalbo(with all due respect) this time.we need Clarkson and a naturalized player,preferably McCullough.Why McCullough? Chris Mc will be a very good match up against either Watanabe and Hachimura which I think is the Asian Qualifiers gold standard for forward tweeners.

McCullough simply have the height,length,skill and experience to be a very good naturalized player.He has KD numbers in terms if length and height,6'9 and 1/2 with a 7'3 wingspan, thats a very good height and length for a small forward in NBA standards.Imagine that playing in the wings.He will not be forced to play small forward because he's used to play in the wings in the G league and in Korea.He has a very decent ball handling and has very fluid movements where he doesn't look like a big and he could even run the break.He looks a more natural wing than Rosario,Tamayo or whoever big that you want to revert to small forward position.

He has good 3 point percentage and a very good spot up shooter. Clarkson can actually play dribble drive plays where he could pass the ball to McCullough in the wings when they get to double team him.That being mentioned,the opponents will be forced to play zone where Kai,Clarkson,Edu and McCullough can all Knicks down the three point shot.With that kind of height and skill,it will be a nightmare scenario for any teams aside from the US,Serbia,Australia and Spain. We could play against G league teams or summer league teams and I think we could compete well with this kind of lineup.

Magkaiba kayo ng taste ni Coach Yeng. He likes Brownlee. But whatever the case, it’d be really great to have JC as a local.

Btw I think we should refrain from calling Hachimura and Watanabe tweeners. They are not. They’re genuinely versatile players that could play multiple positions. Tweeners are players that are not ideal for any position like Troy and CBC who are undersized as a 4 but are not quick or skilled enough as a 3.

[Alex07]

^ even without McCullough we could settle with an NBA G league all star quality player.Someone who is at least 6'7 with good length and with very good shooting percentage and a consistently good scorer.
BJ Johnson is a very good example,but i think he is a 2 way player in the G league(not sure), and he is 4th in the league leaders in scoring which says a lot and he is at his mid 20's.
But for me the key is to get Clarkson to play as a local. As for the qualifiers i hope Kuoame will get naturalized soon, another option is to get Malonzo.

[NOiNU]

Yeah, first things first. But for me it is paramount that the NP (aside from JC) should be able to play big even just in small ball lineups. The 5 isn’t really an issue if we have Kai, Edu and JMF. But overall we need to shore the frontline spots considering how thin we are when it comes to world level 4s.

[interxavierxxx]

Has anyone watched the Spurs lately? With the injury of Aldridge, they moved Derozen to the 4 spot, with 3 guards (White, Dejonte and walker), suprise its worked out effectively. (not saying they wil be contenders or anything)

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sa

But alot can be said of the benefits of overall length and versatility switchiness, with interchangeable roles, players who can play and guard 2 positions (combo guard, 2/3 wing and combo forward)
This changes your competivness and this is actually where the Philippines is weak

The problem is with teams like Denver and Philly that have players like Jokic and Embiid. Without LaMarcus, there is no way we're stopping guys like the aforementioned, not to mention Giannis and KD. I don't agree with Pop that this is the way forward but it's not like we have a choice given what we have. Honestly, I don't think it matters if we qualify or not as we're likely gonna get swept by LeBron and the Lakers anyways.

And DeMar needs to hit those fucking open 3s for goodness sakes.