Players that we can have naturalized

[mathematicianrcg]

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...outside/187770

So they’re looking for another Andray Blatche but are open to a 6’6-6’8 small forward like Brownlee if Kai and Edu develop their skills enough. Hmm. I think JC is enough.

If Kai and Aj will be both nba players by then. Then sure, we can get a wing like Jc as our Naturalized player

[analyzed]

Essentially by around end of 2022, Gilas management will determine if Kai, AJ and Clarkson (NP) and potentially Kouame as local is sufficient enough to meet our goals (e.g make 2nd round) for 2023, if not then decision basically is to find a NP (like Blatche last minute) and how much will it cost.

[analyzed]

Assessment of level of wings vs bigs in Dec 2022

A. Bigs - Kai and AJ
vs
B. Wings- Dwight and Thirdy

This is what it comes down to if the assessment is we need more help in A. Versatile big (aka Blatche like) as compared to B. Wing come Dec 2022. then the decision should be to get a versatile big over Clarkson (a good NP wing) for the 2023 WC. of course cost has to factored relative to goal ( e.g make 2nd round)

The decision to process Kouame's NP is independent of this decision.

[JAMSKIE]

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...outside/187770

So they’re looking for another Andray Blatche but are open to a 6’6-6’8 small forward like Brownlee if Kai and Edu develop their skills enough. Hmm. I think JC is enough.

Agree.

Though Clarkson is only around 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and is more of a shooting guard than a small forward, he can obviously alternate at the 2 & 3 positions with relative ease. And being a legit NBA talent (Clarkson is not just an average NBA player), his skill level, athleticism & quickness are really up there.

Judging from the way he played for us in the 2018 Asian Games where he joined the team in the "11th hour", we can see that his skill level is really up there.

[JAMSKIE]

Also, one positive thing about Clarkson being our naturalized player is that, he is a legit Filipino citizen in every sense of the world becoz he has Pinoy bloodline. Its just that he is not considered Filipino by the crap FIBA citizenship rule.

So its a pride thing for us Pinoys having someone like Clarkson (whom we consider Pinoy) as our naturalized player rather than having someone like a Justin Brownlee or Angelo Kuoame who has no Pinoy bloodline.

[Alex07]

Agree.

Though Clarkson is only around 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and is more of a shooting guard than a small forward, he can obviously alternate at the 2 & 3 positions with relative ease. And being a legit NBA talent (Clarkson is not just an average NBA player), his skill level, athleticism & quickness are really up there.

Judging from the way he played for us in the 2018 Asian Games where he joined the team in the "11th hour", we can see that his skill level is really up there.

I disagree, unless we are going to be content at having Kobe Paras as our primary small forward then maybe. If JC is going to play small forward,looking at the world cup/Olympics outside Asia,he may be giving up 2,3,4 inches of height against NBA quality forwards.Asia's small forward may not be small as well specially the Kiwis,the Aussies, the Chinese and Japan's Hachimura or Watanabe .They are not only taller but physically stronger as well.I can't imagine JC guarding Hachimura or Watanabe, he may guard them but there's the risk of getting more fouls than the usual.

[BJ_Reloaded]

The good thing about JC aside from his basketball skills and IQ is the attitude of the dude..madali daw pakisamahan very typical gesture of a pinoy konting ta ngo(nod of the head) kindat ng kilay at mata(wink) and ngiti(smile) you know the person is approachable and easy to talk to as per his Asian Games teammates and fellow athletes. I think that's one of the many traits as a Filipino that we need to consider for our future naturalized player(s). I think putting him as naturalized for final lineup is just a piece of paper because the world knows what's his DNA, it's just that FIBA says otherwise.

[hmbopbaduwap]

[analyzed]

I disagree, unless we are going to be content at having Kobe Paras as our primary small forward then maybe. If JC is going to play small forward,looking at the world cup/Olympics outside Asia,he may be giving up 2,3,4 inches of height against NBA quality forwards.Asia's small forward may not be small as well specially the Kiwis,the Aussies, the Chinese and Japan's Hachimura or Watanabe .They are not only taller but physically stronger as well.I can't imagine JC guarding Hachimura or Watanabe, he may guard them but there's the risk of getting more fouls than the usual.

for World SF and attributes. when you view it from the perspective of simply getting to the next level as a goal (essentially 2nd round) . most of the teams at that mid level like Puerto Rico, New Zealand have SF (3's) that are around 6' 5" but are really real natural wings. can play 2/3 . with Clarkson and Dwight alternative at 2 and 3 not only are we of competitive height at the 2/3 but are competitive both skill and athletic wise. It's important the third perimeter player should be around 6 foot so the three perimeter spots can be switchy. While i understand the tendency to overact when you look at the possibility of Japan say playing Rui, Watanabe and say a NP center, the key is really not to overact (NZ and alot of these southern American teams have been fine with the two wing spots 2/3 just being 6'5 , but good , if this is our strength , explosive / speedy wings .guards use it to full advantage . I honestly believe Clarkson becomes more of an offensive weapon if the defender on him is NOT like a Marcus Smart with guard quicknes but a white European tall forward. That is a bigger mismatch for Clarkson , we actually can play to our strength with essentially a 3 guard line-up with decent size , rather than playing with a traditional size SF but isn't that fast or good offensively.

[JAMSKIE]

I disagree, unless we are going to be content at having Kobe Paras as our primary small forward then maybe. If JC is going to play small forward,looking at the world cup/Olympics outside Asia,he may be giving up 2,3,4 inches of height against NBA quality forwards.Asia's small forward may not be small as well specially the Kiwis,the Aussies, the Chinese and Japan's Hachimura or Watanabe .They are not only taller but physically stronger as well.I can't imagine JC guarding Hachimura or Watanabe, he may guard them but there's the risk of getting more fouls than the usual.

I'm thinking of a Dwight Ramos-Jordan Clarkson tandem at the wing spots with Dwight at 3 & Clarkson at 2. Well, there aren't too many 6-foot-7 & above small forwards in the Asia-Pacific basketball. Usually the small forwards of our Asian counterparts are around 6-foot-6 to 6-foot-7.

[analyzed]

I'm thinking of a Dwight Ramos-Jordan Clarkson tandem at the wing spots with Dwight at 3 & Clarkson at 2. Well, there aren't too many 6-foot-7 & above small forwards in the Asia-Pacific basketball. Usually the small forwards of our Asian counterparts are around 6-foot-6 to 6-foot-7.

and even if our main rivals we're competing for at 2nd round have 6' 8" SF they're not really good. Clarkson will have a bigger advantage going against these type of players... Play to our strength ! Like if you're NZ you're actually more scared if Abercombrie (who's not fast) has to guard Clarkson.. (kakainin yun) than if you have a prime Brownlee .. mas gusto ng NZ ganoon yung match-up..

[ja.he]

for World SF and attributes. when you view it from the perspective of simply getting to the next level as a goal (essentially 2nd round) . most of the teams at that mid level like Puerto Rico, New Zealand have SF (3's) that are around 6' 5" but are really real natural wings. can play 2/3 . with Clarkson and Dwight alternative at 2 and 3 not only are we of competitive height at the 2/3 but are competitive both skill and athletic wise. It's important the third perimeter player should be around 6 foot so the three perimeter spots can be switchy. While i understand the tendency to overact when you look at the possibility of Japan say playing Rui, Watanabe and say a NP center, the key is really not to overact (NZ and alot of these southern American teams have been fine with the two wing spots 2/3 just being 6'5 , but good , if this is our strength , explosive / speedy wings .guards use it to full advantage . I honestly believe Clarkson becomes more of an offensive weapon if the defender on him is NOT like a Marcus Smart with guard quicknes but a white European tall forward. That is a bigger mismatch for Clarkson , we actually can play to our strength with essentially a 3 guard line-up with decent size , rather than playing with a traditional size SF but isn't that fast or good offensively.

I agree sir. Many in this forums wants to have 6'7-6'9 wingmen which I find incredibly exaggerated and unrealistic. Latin American teams have around 6'4-6'6 (2/3) wingmen which naturally move as wings. Even european teams like spain do have 6'5-6'6 wing players. Those teams like serbia, greece and russia are the only ones with 6'7-6'9 tall wings because they have a generally tall populace (in general sense and in basketball sense). Hachimura and Watanabe are indeed 3 but definitely not swingmen (2/3) but combo forwards (3/4) by just looking the way they move.

IMO, having 6'4-6'5 tall wingmen is already good gilas.

[carmelo7]

The good thing also about Clarkson eh he's a natural scorer.. something that we needed the most.. if our guys are off day, he can deliver (just like the gilas vs China match).. he's not a typical small sf that players can bully him.. unless if Durant, Leonard and LeBron play in world cup..in that way eh doon natin masasabi na Clarkson is in disadvantage..

A rotation of Clarkson,Ramos,Parks,Thirdy,Perez & Tuffin for the 1-3 positions should be good enough (Oftana, Paras & Ildefonso possibly if they improve in the next 2-3 years)

[ja.he]

A rotation of Clarkson,Ramos,Parks,Thirdy,Perez & Tuffin for the 1-3 positions should be good enough (Oftana, Paras & Ildefonso possibly if they improve in the next 2-3 years)

I don't see paras to be a swingman (2/3) in the very near future tbh. He resembles much of a combo forward (3/4).

[JAMSKIE]

If Clarkson would be our naturalized player in 2023, I find it more logical that the other wingmen would be more of shooters & role players rather scorers. Well, I think it would be enough to have CJ Perez as another big scorer in the wings then that's it. The rest would be shooters & defensive specialist. With this, I'm interested of testing the mettle of Allain Bulanadi who is probably among the best shooters in the youth level at present. Ken Tuffin is another prospect. Hope he polishes his game well in the New Zealand pro league. Then there's Calvin Oftana who has decent shooting & seem to be willing to take a backseat in offense when the situation calls for it. I don't know but I feel Oftana has a more matured game than Kobe Paras at present. Kobe has the tendency to get super excited (which would be too good for his own good) & has this tendency to take ill-advise shots & seems to be error-prone. Oftana on the other hand doesn't really force his shots, doesn't take ill-advise shots & is willing to take a backseat in offense.

The hiccup is: Both Bulanadi & Oftana have yet to be tested in higher level basketball for everyone to determine whether they both possess the right stuff. Kailan pa kaya?