Players that we can have naturalized

[analyzed]

i think the reason Hagop rule is constantly being brought up is because SBP has not addressed it--meaning no program or structural change has been implemented for philippine basketball to adapt to this rule. all SBP has done is ask for exemption.

the earlier we create programs and steps to effectively adapt to the 10 year old rule the better we can practically compete. That's what it really comes down to. If our focus is complaining in lieu of steps to take advantage of the rule for our advantage our basketball will always be behind.. it's like complaining about the FIBA goal tending rule that it's not fair for us, instead of developing tactics and training our players to learn how to use the rule for greatest advantage

[analyzed]

Imagine the impacts of "foreign recruitment" program , where the SBP raised money from corporate sponsors and school boosters to subsidize the recruitment of one 15 year old 6' 8 above foreigner and 1 fil foreigner (6'5 wing) for each of the High school UAAP 8 teams. now that's a game changing kick but program with significant impacts, that's 16 players that will revolutanize the talent level of Gilas. i tell you the rest of Asia Pacifc will take notice and view us as a significant treat. Especially if the legislation and lobbying with FIBA provides a pathway for these foreign recruits to represent us.
It's not actually rockets science , it can be done , but of course you need political will and none of this nationalistic BS that it wll be taking away spots from home grown lol.. (eh homegrown na yun!)

[ja.he]

Imagine the impacts of "foreign recruitment" program , where the SBP raised money from corporate sponsors and school boosters to subsidize the recruitment of one 15 year old 6' 8 above foreigner and 1 fil foreigner (6'5 wing) for each of the High school UAAP 8 teams. now that's a game changing kick but program with significant impacts, that's 16 players that will revolutanize the talent level of Gilas. i tell you the rest of Asia Pacifc will take notice and view us as a significant treat. Especially if the legislation and lobbying with FIBA provides a pathway for these foreign recruits to represent us.
It's not actually rockets science , it can be done , but of course you need political will and none of this nationalistic BS that it wll be taking away spots from home grown lol.. (eh homegrown na yun!)

With the impending charter change in the lower house, i think it is the perfect time to take a look at our citizenship provision in our Constitution. I think we can do what Australia and France are doing for immigrants. Since, the main aim of this is to lift foreign ownership restrictions, might as well make a more lax citizenship provisions in our Constitution.

[lurklurk]

Agree with both of your points analyzed, that's why we are looking at SBP to provide leadership in terms creating such programs. There are actually a lot of ideas for programs, all equally viable and will provide direction for philippine basketball. But sadly, all such ideas are coming from forum/fb posts. Nothing from SBP itself.

[Alex07]

i think the reason Hagop rule is constantly being brought up is because SBP has not addressed it--meaning no program or structural change has been implemented for philippine basketball to adapt to this rule. all SBP has done is ask for exemption.

I think our citizenship laws were made stringent for a reason. One country cannot just legislate laws or even replace its constitution in favor of a rules (i haven't heard of anything like that, if there is one tell me). With conflicts between laws and organization rules one must adjust, I think this has been addressed by the case of Belize v. FIBA already.

I agree the part of the U16 rule being generally decently sound legally logical is my opinion, but the part that it is universally accepted and established already by the global Basketball community is not , it's an observation based on factual feedback.

Both FIBA and FIBA eligibility rules had been a subject of controversy and was brought to Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). The difference is FIBA lost it's case against Belize while FIFA won it's case against Morocco. I think this example alone, speaks volumes about factual and legal basis.

[analyzed]

^^
So can you name another country aside from the Philippines or at least 5 countries (2% of 200 federations) that have either requested for the U16 rule to be reconsidered or requested for an exception for a player who secured his passport over 20 yrs old?
Where is this significant protest or misgivings of the rule?

[lurklurk]

I think our citizenship laws were made stringent for a reason. One country cannot just legislate laws or even replace its constitution in favor of a rules (i haven't heard of anything like that, if there is one tell me). With conflicts between laws and organization rules one must adjust, I think this has been addressed by the case of Belize v. FIBA already.

Both FIBA and FIBA eligibility rules had been a subject of controversy and was brought to Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). The difference is FIBA lost it's case against Belize while FIFA won it's case against Morocco. I think this example alone, speaks volumes about factual and legal basis.

Not talking about legislations sir, just programs or structures implemented by SBP. If it is true that the spirit of hagop rule is to encourage nations to build their local development programs, SBP should follow that spirit and implement programs aligned to the same objective. Problem is, SBP's inaction itself is (sort of) encouraging the complaints.

[Alex07]

Not talking about legislations sir, just programs or structures implemented by SBP. If it is true that the spirit of hagop rule is to encourage nations to build their local development programs, SBP should follow that spirit and implement programs aligned to the same objective. Problem is, SBP's inaction itself is (sort of) encouraging the complaints.

please provide for the article How the rules were made,otherwise we they are just speculations

[Alex07]

^^
So can you name another country aside from the Philippines or at least 5 countries (2% of 200 federations) that have either requested for the U16 rule to be reconsidered or requested for an exception for a player who secured his passport over 20 yrs old?
Where is this significant protest or misgivings of the rule?

you have failed to analyze the numbers countries are following jus sanguini principle as compared to jus soli.That being said,there are still controversies that needs to be solved through arbitration,which meant that this problem is actual and existing and not just imaginary.

Lets put it this way,the eligibility rule is like obliging a player to eat pork,now not everyone may not be able to eat pork because there are religions and countries practicing a religion that discourages the consumption of that meat.Now one may contend, not all the population of that country are practicing that religion,true,but How rare are those people? And you have to choose the best people that could play among those chosen few. It's the same with the eligible Filipino foreign kids that acquired a passport before 16.They have the same birth right as those who were born in the Philippines (Yes because they are considered natural born citizens and not naturalized citizens),why not Let them play for their country? Because they were trained abroad?

[Silent Killer]

After close to 10 years, people haven't move on from the hagop rule. We're the only country who continues to complain about the rule while others are taking advantage of the rule and already move on

[analyzed]

you have failed to analyze the numbers countries are following jus sanguini principle as compared to jus soli.That being said,there are still controversies that needs to be solved through arbitration,which meant that this problem is actual and existing and not just imaginary.

Lets put it this way,the eligibility rule is like obliging a player to eat pork,now not everyone may not be able to eat pork because there are religions and countries practicing a religion that discourages the consumption of that meat.Now one may contend, not all the population of that country are practicing that religion,true,but How rare are those people? And you have to choose the best people that could play among those chosen few. It's the same with the eligible Filipino foreign kids that acquired a passport before 16.They have the same birth right as those who were born in the Philippines (Yes because they are considered natural born citizens and not naturalized citizens),why not Let them play for their country? Because they were trained abroad?

I know your position and idealogy on the matter and i respect it and it's logical. I prefer to focus on practical steps to make us competitive given the established rule . i don't like the FIBA goal tending rule , but no choice we have to plan steps to play to take advantage of the established rule

[analyzed]

Agree with both of your points analyzed, that's why we are looking at SBP to provide leadership in terms creating such programs. There are actually a lot of ideas for programs, all equally viable and will provide direction for philippine basketball. But sadly, all such ideas are coming from forum/fb posts. Nothing from SBP itself.

The part of recruiting a 6'8 above teenage foreigner (Kouame) and a 15 yr old 6'5 fil foreigner (Mason Amos) sponsored by a school (Ateneo) booster (MVP) is actually already being done. While a small step , we should have more of this approach. that's how you plan to take advantage of an established rule. If others are doing it , why not us, we have to get on with our steps and plan of action or else be left behind wyning about how we're unfairly disadvantaged

[tootch]

i hope SBP should look 6’10” Christian Wood of detroit pistons. one of my favorite underrated players in the NBA. long and athletic

[Alex07]

i hope SBP should look 6’10” Christian Wood of detroit pistons. one of my favorite underrated players in the NBA. long and athletic

yep, i posted this also before when he was still in the G league.I heard he tested positive for Covid-19, i don't know any news after that

[Money]

i hope SBP should look 6’10” Christian Wood of detroit pistons. one of my favorite underrated players in the NBA. long and athletic

If inaturalize yan dapat now na. Free Agent yan this summer as far as i remember. habang mababa pa value.