Players that we can have naturalized

[paulezra]

For WC 2014 lets stay with Douhit since he still plays well and healthy, it is just a freak accident that he got injured. He is still young next year at 34 that is still a good age for basketball. And it is also a way to reward his effort because he said he wants to rest for Spain. For next Fiba Asia, lets test Dozier, Dunigan, Bowles or maybe there is still a chance for Javale.

i have to disagree...the injury is a result of having to play a high octane system everyday at full throttle. The competition is too much for a 34 year old. In this tourney, he is a far cry from the 2011 douhit. Siguro sa defense medyo okay pa but as far as his offense. ...He lost his perimeter touch...while his low post moves s no longer potent.

[Big Ticket]

Dont you guys think that MD didnt score a lot in the 2013 FIBA compared to 2011 was that he had better teammates now and that his role is very different?

[Alex07]

Team: Laban Pilipinas!

Channing Frye: (won't reply)

You're right, he's a bad fit

lol Laban Pilipinas! Channing Frye:<may sakit sa> Puso!

[ramonmagdalo]

Dont you guys think that MD didnt score a lot in the 2013 FIBA compared to 2011 was that he had better teammates now and that his role is very different?

yes, as shown in the games, MD did not have to score as much as he needed to because the rest are as capable... but he anchored the defense and that
was where he became more useful... that was what was missed in the Finals...

[JAMSKIE]

i have to disagree...the injury is a result of having to play a high octane system everyday at full throttle. The competition is too much for a 34 year old. In this tourney, he is a far cry from the 2011 douhit. Siguro sa defense medyo okay pa but as far as his offense. ...He lost his perimeter touch...while his low post moves s no longer potent.

As far as I can remember, Douthit sustained the injury when he bumped his knee/shin into another knee (a Qatari player) in that game vs. Qatar last Aug. 6. I don't think "wear & tear" has so much to do with it. Of course I agree that as a player ages, then "wear & tear" will naturally takes it toll & this is when injuries come more often.

[durden_tyler]

i have to disagree...the injury is a result of having to play a high octane system everyday at full throttle. The competition is too much for a 34 year old. In this tourney, he is a far cry from the 2011 douhit. Siguro sa defense medyo okay pa but as far as his offense. ...He lost his perimeter touch...while his low post moves s no longer potent.

i have to agree that we can go younger with our naturalized player and more importantly, find an "import" who's a better fit. He's good defensively but we do not maximize him offensively... Like every other position in the team, you only replace him if you are definitely going to find a better replacement. Of all the players in the Final 12? i think he's the most vulnerable to be replaced and you know why...

[Alex07]

Originally Posted by Relentless
Looking back and moving forward (2015 Fiba Asia), I think that with the kind of team that we have and the type of game we play, we would benefit from a center who LIKES to run. Imagine if a center like Haddadi was playing against a Philippine center who LIKES TO run in the break after we get a rebound? Haddadi wouldn't be able to score as much because he would get tired trying to chase his man. He'll be forced to play defense. And I'm talking about a NATURAL center. Not someone like Japeth who was just forced to play center in the finals because of the injury to Douhtit. If you think about it, if Japeth at the 4 had a frontcourt partner who is legit center that LIKES to run, Iran's frontcourt of Haddadi and whoever would get exhausted faster and would have lesser energy on offense.

I'm not saying anything negative about Douhtit and Fajardo, I'm just saying that this is something we might have to look into as we move forward. Douhtit's already 33 and won't be around that long. Maybe he can promoted to one of the assistant coaches and personal low-post trainer of our 4's and 5's.

Let's face it, it's highly unlikely that we can match the size and strength of the frontcourts of Iran and China even if we have the option to naturalize a player. But since we have that option to draft a naturalized player for our national team, we might as well look for someone that can counter the edge in strength and size of our opponent's slow centers with speed and mobility.

Maybe we can naturalize someone who is 6'10" or 6'11", is a natural center, but LIKES to run the break and is seldom stationary in a half-court set. Japeth's only 26 so he'll have maybe 6 or 7 more productive years with the national team. It would be great if we can pair him with a legit center who can run with him in the break to make our opponent's 4 and 5 work harder and get tired faster. Then Fajardo and/or Slaughter and/or Sangalang could be the big men off the bench that play differently and gives our team a different look and option.

I think most centers now, American or European can also run the break.Heck even Douthit runs better than Heddadi.Of course with more weight the tendency is you will also loose speed.What if we choose a natural center who is 6'9, 235 lbs but he'll be eaten alive by Heddadi and other NBA type big men in the paint? I'd like a guy who has a solid post up offense and defense with a bit of all around game (can pass,can run the floor well and can shoot some 17 foot jumpers).Someone who is strong enough to battle in the paint and get those rebounds but not a lumbering jack.

[Phlegm Thrower]

Javele McGee is the answer, I think he really fits the DDO of Chot

[reamily]

So we will retain all the 11 players to play in Spain except for Douthit?.. wow

[Glennzkie09]

lets get javale mcgee.. Shaqtin a fool...

Laban pilipinas.. tapos c javale hindi mkaintindi kasi utak pigsa.. <dafuq>

[AlYuson]

you already said it, he's 33...what will we do with him? and he already played for the croatian national team...

Hahahaha..i almost cough with a phlegm.

[mangangalakal]

CJ giles would probably have been a better fit for chot's ddo. in terms of skills and playing style that is.

but attitude? personality? behavior? marcus tops them all. its easy to find more skilled, more athletic, stronger centers to replace marcus. but finding one that could approximate his attitude and personality would be d tougher challenge.

That's the challenge. Compared to skill, professionalism and excellent work attitude are much harder to find. We don't want more expensive versions of Sampson and Giles

[brod78]

So we will retain all the 11 players to play in Spain except for Douthit?.. wow

I noticed that he commited lots of turnover during his one on one plays last fiba and his outside shooting was not as sharp as it was last 2011 fiba. He is a tad slower too but overall still serviceable. I guess we'll have to wait till the groupings is finalized then expect sbp to make their move.

[trig]

I noticed that he commited lots of turnover during his one on one plays last fiba and his outside shooting was not as sharp as it was last 2011 fiba. He is a tad slower too but overall still serviceable. I guess we'll have to wait till the groupings is finalized then expect sbp to make their move.

One of the GMA ftw guys said in their podcast before the FIBA tourney that Marcus is not 100% + he's 2yrs older

[Silent Killer]

According to chot

http://http://www.spin.ph/sports/bas...las-says-reyes

Maintaining back-up naturalized players will pose huge logistical problem for Gilas, says Reyes
Richard Dy
August 14, 2013, 10:07 pm

HEAD coach Chot Reyes said the idea of having one or two naturalized players on stand-by to replace Marcus Douthit is ideal for Gilas Pilipinas, except for the huge expenses involved.

The injury suffered by Douthit in the semifinal match against Korea, and his subsequent absence from the Fiba-Asia championships title game against Iran, has sparked calls for the naturalization of more tall players for the national team program.

However, Reyes said maintaining a stable of naturalized players will pose a logistical nightmare for Gilas, adding the bill for keeping one naturalized player alone already makes a big dent on the team's coffers.

"Alam mo, marami ang nagsasabi na kailangan meron pa tayong isa or dalawa pa, pero sino ang magbabayad e ang laki ng suweldo n'yan," said Reyes on Wednesday.

"Ideal iyong meron kang isa or dalawa pa (na naturalized players) pero ang problema pasusuwelduhin mo lahat ‘yon, hindi naman kadali ‘yon. The actual logistics involved, iyon ang mahirap," he added.

Team insiders said the cost of keeping one naturalized player alone runs up to eight figures.

Another option for Gilas is to maintain an overseas-based naturalized player who can be called up for international tournaments, although Reyes said such a set-up could pose problems in terms of availability.

"Hindi mo kontrolado kapag ganoon. Baka kapag kailangan mo hindi puwede. So it defeats the purpose," he said.

Still, Gilas said team manager Butch Antonio said adding one or even two naturalized players is an option the national team is seriously considering.

“The option of having naturalized players is there, whether one or two. I mean, one (naturalized player) is okay and two is great. It’s always good to have a backup or a choice,” Antonio said just before the PBA honored the entire Gilas team in between the PBA Governors Cup doubleheader on Wednesday.

Antonio made it clear Gilas has no plan to become `tourists’ during the World Cup as it intends to come out with a competitive team in the hope of at least getting past the first round.

“Ang plano naman is hindi lang tayo maging turista sa Spain. While we have yet to meet since the end of the Fiba-Asia, but again, nandun na tayo kasi sa top 24 countries in the world, we sure will set a goal once mag-meet kami,” he said.

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