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  • Originally posted by Metta View Post
    Kai got serious about basketball around 12 and is now hitting his stride at 22. For comparison, Wemby started serious training at 7 (but played football and judo much earlier) and was in the NBA in 10 years.

    This blueprint has been known for so long and yet we still waste so many of our super-tall players. And yes, height can be predicted with high probability.
    The thing is not all tall people turn out to be great basketball players. Even with ample and early training a lot of these kids will still bust. We've had a lot of tall prospects before that just don't have the feel and honestly even coordination.

    ​​I Have noticed that also applies to FSAs. Some are built for basketball even if they start out late. And some are really just tall stiffs that no amount of training will fix.

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    • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post

      The thing is not all tall people turn out to be great basketball players. Even with ample and early training a lot of these kids will still bust. We've had a lot of tall prospects before that just don't have the feel and honestly even coordination.

      ​​I Have noticed that also applies to FSAs. Some are built for basketball even if they start out late. And some are really just tall stiffs that no amount of training will fix.
      The lack of coordination and fluidity is mostly a result of doing sports (or any meaningful physical activity) too late. If kids who eventually grow very tall start running, jumping, tumbling very early (toddler age) and then eventually start playing some type of sport (around 7), probabilities for future athleticism raises considerably. That is why Wemby moves the way he does, he trained very early for it. It's why unicorns aren't so rare anymore.

      Try to name a stiff player who started sports early.

      Training needs to happen before neural/brain wirings are fully developed and way before the growth spurt.

      Of course there will always be exceptions, like with some afflicted by growth defects, but for the most part being stiff can be avoided.

      And when you say an FSA is a stiff you probably mean "raw", it's because they only started playing basketball. But if you pay attention to their movements, they move well (they aren't stiff when it comes to movement/athleticism) because most of these African FSAs played football as kids. They run and jump well, but dribbling and shooting is awful because of course, those skills take time to learn. Our schools mostly choose these "raw" FSAs because the ones who trained early get recruited by the US and Europe.

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      • ...Basketball acumen/BBIQ however is an entirely separate topic. At least we can have guys moving like Japeth.

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        • Originally posted by Metta View Post

          The lack of coordination and fluidity is mostly a result of doing sports (or any meaningful physical activity) too late. If kids who eventually grow very tall start running, jumping, tumbling very early (toddler age) and then eventually start playing some type of sport (around 7), probabilities for future athleticism raises considerably. That is why Wemby moves the way he does, he trained very early for it. It's why unicorns aren't so rare anymore.

          Try to name a stiff player who started sports early.

          Training needs to happen before neural/brain wirings are fully developed and way before the growth spurt.

          Of course there will always be exceptions, like with some afflicted by growth defects, but for the most part being stiff can be avoided.

          And when you say an FSA is a stiff you probably mean "raw", it's because they only started playing basketball. But if you pay attention to their movements, they move well (they aren't stiff when it comes to movement/athleticism) because most of these African FSAs played football as kids. They run and jump well, but dribbling and shooting is awful because of course, those skills take time to learn. Our schools mostly choose these "raw" FSAs because the ones who trained early get recruited by the US and Europe.
          Boba, Jokic, flat footed Gobert, Lopez bros, Luka

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          • Originally posted by zairex View Post

            Boba, Jokic, flat footed Gobert, Lopez bros, Luka
            Are you calling them stiffs? Then your definition of "stiff" is the problem.

            Slow does not automatically equate stiff. JMF is not a stiff, Balingit is a stiff. If you can play, you're not a stiff. Stiff (always a big) means no amount of training and teaching could make you a good/usable player. As opposed to a "raw" player who can still improve over time.

            Only a fool will call Luka a stiff. And the guy may look slow (and again that doesn't automatically mean stiff)...but his reflexes, hands, ballhandling, breaking/stopping, change of directions are all super quick. Calling an MVP and all-nba players a stiff is wild.

            You probably inadvertently named players who would've become stiffs if they didn't start sports early.

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            • There's a good example of a "raw" player (the video is on instagram)...Embiid playing for a JV high school team (he didn't even make varsity). He just started playing basketball and it shows...clumsy and awkward with the ball, doesn't know what's happening on the court. But to the trained eye, the potential is obvious. The way he moves is key, which was because even though he only started hoops, he's been playing football for years.

              This is basically the FSAs that we take a chance on.

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              • Well, I just gathered that NU- Nazareth forward 6”7” Miguel Palanca is “inaanak” of a friend…

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                • Kai and AJ are cornerstone Big Men for Gilas.

                  JMF and Japeth will retire soon.

                  We need young Bigs to follow path of Kai/AJ

                  QMB will be good if he is cleared by Fiba.

                  I am not sure if there are good Centers in Uaap/Ncaa

                  Some Forwards like Tamayo, Baltazar, Quiambao. I preferred as Combo Forwards.



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                  • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                    Kai and AJ are cornerstone Big Men for Gilas.

                    JMF and Japeth will retire soon.

                    We need young Bigs to follow path of Kai/AJ

                    QMB will be good if he is cleared by Fiba.

                    I am not sure if there are good Centers in Uaap/Ncaa

                    Some Forwards like Tamayo, Baltazar, Quiambao. I preferred as Combo Forwards.


                    If we're looking for bigs that can play 5, we need good interior defenders, especially if we're not going with an NP who can protect the paint. We have just Kai, AJ, and Japeth for that so far. Pool's bare after that.

                    Agreed on Carl, Balti, and Quiambao. They're more tweeners, although Quiambao might become a wing. I think most of our FIBA-eligible bigs should be able to play the 4, and hopefully some will be versatile defenders.

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                    • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                      Are you calling them stiffs? Then your definition of "stiff" is the problem.

                      Slow does not automatically equate stiff. JMF is not a stiff, Balingit is a stiff. If you can play, you're not a stiff. Stiff (always a big) means no amount of training and teaching could make you a good/usable player. As opposed to a "raw" player who can still improve over time.

                      Only a fool will call Luka a stiff. And the guy may look slow (and again that doesn't automatically mean stiff)...but his reflexes, hands, ballhandling, breaking/stopping, change of directions are all super quick. Calling an MVP and all-nba players a stiff is wild.

                      You probably inadvertently named players who would've become stiffs if they didn't start sports early.
                      Yes they are stiff. That's why they always in a pick and roll. They are stiff in NBA standard. One cross over they lose their man in defense. Luka is strong but not agile to guard any one top guards consistent.

                      Actually, Balingit has some agility and can run back in defense. Field is stiff in PBA standard

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                      • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                        Yes they are stiff. That's why they always in a pick and roll. They are stiff in NBA standard. One cross over they lose their man in defense. Luka is strong but not agile to guard any one top guards consistent.

                        Actually, Balingit has some agility and can run back in defense. Field is stiff in PBA standard
                        Here's a pretty accurate use of the term "Stiff" in basketball terms...

                        “What happened to all the big white stiffs?” That’s the question I’ve asked myself numerous times while watching this seasons NBA Playoffs. Those big, lumbering, talentless …


                        "...big, lumbering, talentless, goofs..." In simple words...guys taken only because they're big.

                        "Talentless Goofs" is the key, they're unplayable. They automatically disqualified guys who scored in double-figures, team-starters and have high PERs as Stiffs, because those things meant a dude can play.

                        Calling offensive prodigies Jokic and Luka stiffs while implying Balingit is not explains your definition (you probably meant slow). But then again it's really head-scratching because you also included Gobert (who is agile for a 7-footer).

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                        • Guys, what happened to young bigs like Ladis Lepalam, Jimly Lantaya, Ramon Salvoro, Umpad (I forgot his first name), Jeremiah Pangalanan? They wer very much in the discussion of future Pinoy bigs some 4 or 5 years ago.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                            Guys, what happened to young bigs like Ladis Lepalam, Jimly Lantaya, Ramon Salvoro, Umpad (I forgot his first name), Jeremiah Pangalanan? They wer very much in the discussion of future Pinoy bigs some 4 or 5 years ago.


                            lack of opportunities to play

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                            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                              Guys, what happened to young bigs like Ladis Lepalam, Jimly Lantaya, Ramon Salvoro, Umpad (I forgot his first name), Jeremiah Pangalanan? They wer very much in the discussion of future Pinoy bigs some 4 or 5 years ago.
                              Lepalam last I read played on the MPBL or PSL. Lantaya did not have a chance of making it to Letran A so he went pro in the MPBL.

                              Pangalanan had stints in DLSU B, CSB B and Letran B. Umpad I think will have a year left in EAC.

                              Pangalanan had mamy opportunities thanks to Delta. But simply is not talented enough. Matangkad lang talaga.

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                              • 16 years old

                                6'9 Big Man

                                John Tagocon (From Cagayan)

                                Is he good? Any ideas?

                                Seems like he is bound to Mapua. Will play along side 6'7/6'8 Drex Delos Reyes.

                                Mapua Twin Towers. Hehe. Interesting

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