Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[Rodbi]

John Renie Tagocon 15 years old, 6'7" with a 7'0" wingspan. Born in 2007

I hope he's not done growing, perhaps 2-3 inches more is good enough. One thing I also notice, he doesn't seem to be the lanky type. Looks more likely to be on the Geo Chiu-type of physique 5 years from now. Not that bad if he'd be trained exclusively as a 4 or 5 on both ends of the floor as long as he also develops a decent perimeter jumper and facing-the-basket game.

[BJ_Reloaded]

Two things to those kids mentioned nowadays and previously...hoping that handlers train them(more) to develop solid handles and footworks...that's the CORE part of it.

Pahabol: Endurance training must also be included...so those 3 things are very important aspect to build-up a prospective player's CORE moving forward.

[IPC]

Unless we change our long-term strategy...our pipeline is for the Almazan and Erram types.

The only locally developed 6’7-8 player that actually has decent fundamentals in dribbling is Tamayo.

When we actually need less of the Erram and Almazan types (and the 6'5"-6'6" slow hefty types types) and more of the type of bigs who can both protect the rim and can defend the perimeter.

Carl actually improved his defense with UP and with Gilas, and he's competitive, but he's not exactly a good rim protector.

In terms of skillset, we need a local version of Draymond Green, or a smaller version of Angelo Kouame on defense. 6'6"-6'8", can defend both the perimeter and inside, can protect the rim, and can play both 4 and 5. Or at least a better defensive version of Justine Baltazar.

We sorely lack players with this skillset, and as such should be making more efforts to develop these kinds of players among our long and mobile 6'6"-6'8" players.

[IPC]

Actually in the 2014 World cup , he's one the reason we we're competitive at the defensive end as well as a mobile and in shape Blatche. The biggest difference in competivness from 2014 and other world competition ,contrary to what people think is actually big man defense (switchabilty ) , compare per 40 minutes the opponent scores in 2014 WC, 2016 OQT , 2018 window vs Australia , and 2019 WC, the main difference statistically is big man defense really . further advance analytics illustrates this more, with the number of points are opponents scored from 3 pt line (alot from bigs) , and drives (cause bigs can't cover latterally or PNR) and are slow in transition

Stats: (world level competition)
Our WC opponents in 2014 scored on avg in regulation (40 min) - 76 pts

in 2016 OQT - our opponents avg 92 pts ( 16 pts difference compared to 2014)

in the game vs Australia window 2018 ( not completed) , Australia was on pace to score 120 pts! ( they had 89 pts in the 3rd quarter before game ended)

let's not discuss our defense in 2019 World cup which is a disgrace.

It's really defense , particularly switchabiltiy of bigs to cover perimeter (open 3's) and blow bys (drives)

Hope defense and switchability are big factors in developing bigs, especially if they have the combination of height (6'6"+), mobility, and length. Baltazar is a good start, and Carl's improving in switching, but we need more 6'6"+ bigs that can switch and maybe protect the rim.

We're undersized, so compensate with mobility and versatility.

[IPC]

I just don't get it. We don't want our bigs to be traditional Centers like JF but its ok for FSA.?

How many bigs the size of Japeth and June Mar do we have? Exactly, that's why general rule for the best bigs below 206cm should be versatility and mobility rather than heft. We'll have a better chance of getting a taller center with an import. And I said "center," not necessarily traditional. So long as the import plays center and the mobile talented 196-204cm local big plays 4, that's the way to go in my opinion.

And the not wanting bigs to be traditional centers applies maybe only to the high-upside ones like Carl, Quiambao, Mason Amos types. These kinds of guys are better off training for mobility early, developing strength later on. If center, small ball.

IMO, most FSAs are physically bigger, athletic and stronger than our locals. They are more fit to operate inside the paint because of their physical attributes. Besides, unless we take them here as young as 10 years old, only few of them will be considered for naturalization. We need our locals to be trained to be more versatile players because they are the ones that will represent us in international competitions. It is also in preparation for their pro careers, PBA or overseas.

Exactly. Our bigs are not that tall, so compensate for lack of size with versatility and mobility. FSAs and imports will push our 196-203cm bigs to be more of fours, since the FSA and import will handle the paint duties, and have the physique for it.

Internationally, and maybe in Philippine basketball, the versatility and international competence of Pingris and RDO are the two types of skillsets we should be looking at when looking for talented players that measure 196-203cm. Train them to be fours and have either an FSA or a lower-upside and/or beefier big to man the 5 if we still want to insist on traditional ball. Either that, or train them to be small-ball bigs instead of traditional centers if they play 5. Like ja.he said, these are the bigs that will represent us in the international level, so we have to train them as such.

Recently, we've had Carl, Balti, Quiambao, and then Mason, Konov, Seven (although he needs to play tougher), Pablo, and maybe Demisana as potential candidates for the 196-203cm fours.

[Rds]

How does he play?

I hope they dont pigeon hole him into a center.

[IPC]

I hope they dont pigeon hole him into a center.

I hope he can at least become a tweener ala Balti or Carl, who can defend on switches.

[JAMSKIE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUjx0eBbXlw

Impressed with these 2 young bigs mobility & ability to dribble drive. What I want to see more from these guys is some outside shooting.

[Rds]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUjx0eBbXlw

Impressed with these 2 young bigs mobility & ability to dribble drive. What I want to see more from these guys is some outside shooting.

Was that Romero botching a sure win with bad plays after the other? Anyways is Pablo a homegrown? For me he was the second most impressive big after Mason in the U18. He has the motor and defensive mobility for his size that is only usually seen in overseas grown guys. He was excellent defensively and on the boards in the U18. The few times that he shot the ball or dribbled it he looked good. It's good that he is being asked to create more in HS. The kid has a good future.

[BJ_Reloaded]

Was that Romero botching a sure win with bad plays after the other? Anyways is Pablo a homegrown? For me he was the second most impressive big after Mason in the U18. He has the motor and defensive mobility for his size that is only usually seen in overseas grown guys. He was excellent defensively and on the boards in the U18. The few times that he shot the ball or dribbled it he looked good. It's good that he is being asked to create more in HS. The kid has a good future.

That kid Romero is the Richie Rich of last year's U16 BG team, sometimes he is called back then as the Super Saiyan boy because of his white gold hair...Pablo is homegrown I don't think he is related to Vic Pablo.

[Rodbi]

Was that Romero botching a sure win with bad plays after the other? Anyways is Pablo a homegrown? For me he was the second most impressive big after Mason in the U18. He has the motor and defensive mobility for his size that is only usually seen in overseas grown guys. He was excellent defensively and on the boards in the U18. The few times that he shot the ball or dribbled it he looked good. It's good that he is being asked to create more in HS. The kid has a good future.

I agree with you and Mr. Jamskie about the 2 making impression as high-upside combo forwards. Although I am leaning more to Pablo due to his tight handles and motor similar to what Carl Tamayo currently has (at least in my view), both should be regular senior Gilas pool members in a couple years.

[mapuakid]

Was that Romero botching a sure win with bad plays after the other? Anyways is Pablo a homegrown? For me he was the second most impressive big after Mason in the U18. He has the motor and defensive mobility for his size that is only usually seen in overseas grown guys. He was excellent defensively and on the boards in the U18. The few times that he shot the ball or dribbled it he looked good. It's good that he is being asked to create more in HS. The kid has a good future.

Lol. Are u referring the game against the red robins as sure win yet they couldn?t even dominate the game?. lol.

[Rds]

Lol. Are u referring the game against the red robins as sure win yet they couldn?t even dominate the game?. lol.

Just saw the highlights. Their bigs were pretty dominant. But somebody here said that the team is far from dominant. The highlights showed 3 straight bad plays from Romero. Seemed pretty bad to me. If Santi were not there would they have had a better chances of winning?

[IPC]

That kid Romero is the Richie Rich of last year's U16 BG team, sometimes he is called back then as the Super Saiyan boy because of his white gold hair...Pablo is homegrown I don't think he is related to Vic Pablo.

EZ Mil the GOAT of that U16. Hahahahahahahaha.

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, any update on the other young promising 6-foot-8 promising bigs we have like Lantaya, Lepalam & Ramon Salvoro?

Its good to see that mejo dumarami na rin yung mga 6-foot-7 & above bigs natin who can put the ball on the floor & can shoot.

Maybe compared to China, Korea, Iran, New Zealand, we are still behind when it comes to development of big men, but at least we are catching up & the gap is closing.