Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[PeeZones]

Depends if that guy can shoot. The Lakers right now, they have spacing issues, and starting DeAndre Jordan alongside Russell Westbrook is gonna create more issues. It's also why the pair of Japeth and Standhardinger hasn't worked so far in the PBA.

On the other hand, you have guys like Jokić, Embiid, and Vučević. They are also traditional low-post centers, but they can at least space the floor.

As for us, we have guys like Kouame, who's a traditional post big, but he can space the floor, which is why Gilas won't have many spacing issues.

You only need skilled and high IQ bigs and they will know what to do. Those you mention were all very skilled and high IQ. What is ailing LA is that most players arent really great with bball IQ. they look lost and out of touch. You could trade athleticism over IQ anytime. What is the use of athleticism if you dont know what to do?lol LA without lebron is like running headless.

[IPC]

Your opinions on Geo Chiu? Do you see him as purely a low-post player (like Junemar) or more than that?

Under Ateneo, I see Geo being a stretch-5 who is strong on the low post but can also hit jumpers/3s like Aron Baynes.

Chiu’s physique is fit for this as he is not easily pushed by other international bigs. Just needs improvement on his low post moves and shooting touch.

The kid fights inside. He just needs to develop strength, which is possible kasi bata pa siya.

Baynes with a post skillset seems reasonable. Hopefully he develops that post game and shooting. Defense is there, e.

[IPC]

According to the article Shinshu management is willing to invest on his development thus, the 3 year contract, so yeah expect Matt to sit a lot this year as he is a project for Shinshu

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/m...arriors/221798

Shinshu, which was promoted to B1 two years ago, is willing to invest in Aquino’s development.

And the only way Aquino will repay the trust given to him is by improving every day.

“Dun kami nagulat dun sa three-year offer,” he said. “Right now, the goal is to improve every day and take it step-by-step. I just want to improve myself and madami pa ako kailangang patunayan, hindi lang sa iba, kung hindi sa sarili ko.

I hope Shinshu really invests in his development. We might have a potential big in our hands if he develops and improves.

It could actually be the other way around, maybe Japan will enlist Matthew Aquino to their NT if he marks tremendous improvement (it's their league developing him after all). A poster mentioned that he could be another Atsuya Ota, an NT mainstay and insurance big. That's his ceiling right now, especially with Japan's main bigs, Rui and Watanabe, only available in major tournaments.

It's fine for me if he decides to represent Japan NT since he is not really considered to play for Gilas. You know, Gilas, despite being a "short" team, is not really that short.

Just look at the depth of bigmen:

Sotto
Kouame
Edu
Chiu
Go
Rangel
Baltazar
Tamayo
Erram
Almazan
Ong
Cariño

This list pertains only to the MVP and Gilas staple. I'm not including those in the SMC and other groups. In comparison, Japan, outside Hachimura, Watanabe, Hoghland, Schafer and Edwards/Rossiter, does not have much bigs.

At least we're not shallow in terms of 6'7"+ bigs. The only thing we have to do now is train them to play both bigman positions, meaing playing the 4 as well as the 5. Hopefully the number in this lists increase as well.

[thatweirdguy]

The kid fights inside. He just needs to develop strength, which is possible kasi bata pa siya.

Baynes with a post skillset seems reasonable. Hopefully he develops that post game and shooting. Defense is there, e.

He needs to develop his physique. He could still become a little more athletic if he he sheds some weight and develop his muscles

[IPC]

You only need skilled and high IQ bigs and they will know what to do. Those you mention were all very skilled and high IQ. What is ailing LA is that most players arent really great with bball IQ. they look lost and out of touch. You could trade athleticism over IQ anytime. What is the use of athleticism if you dont know what to do?lol LA without lebron is like running headless.

You might still need a little athleticism for defense, though I still think defense is more about anticipation and effort than athletic gifts. However, athletic gifts matter a little more when you're playing in the forward and center positions, but as for PF and C, height matters, well if you're traditionally-minded.

[PeeZones]

You might still need a little athleticism for defense, though I still think defense is more about anticipation and effort than athletic gifts. However, athletic gifts matter a little more when you're playing in the forward and center positions, but as for PF and C, height matters, well if you're traditionally-minded.

Of course at least decent mobility and athleticism, EJ Feihl and even Greg level wont be considered in the NBA. Kai's level is more than sufficient. It is really the blind fanaticism to uber athletes that majority cant recognize that in the end bball is played using skills and bball IQ.

[interxavierxxx]

At least we're not shallow in terms of 6'7"+ bigs. The only thing we have to do now is train them to play both bigman positions, meaing playing the 4 as well as the 5. Hopefully the number in this lists increase as well.

Raven Cortez and Kobe Demisana also.

Meeting the minimum baseline to be a stretch 4/5 is good.

Small Forward? That's even better.

[mathematicianrcg]

Maybe I'm just a bad coach, I have a 6' 9 big in my Uni team , who can shoot 3's at low %, at the end my most effective lineup was using a 6' 6 forward a center with a versatile strong 6' 3 player at 4. and with 3 guard. that's what worked for me .

That will highly depends on the skillset and the strengths of your players though.

As a coach,

do you force your player to fit in your system?

or you adjust your system based on your player's strengths and playstyle?

[reamily]

Id rather have the 6'6 guy who plays big and very capable than a raw 6'9 although its a "great" thing if the 6'6 guy can play 3 and 4 and the 6'9 guy can play beside him and produce good results(it becomes the duty now of the 6'6 quality guy to make te 6'9 guy look good or decent..

If youre a Johnedel cardel(err bad example) or a Pido jarencio you will look bad on some average fans but you will push the 6'9 player and give him chance(pero alam namn natin na farm teams yun binigay kong example).. while a Tim Cone or Jong uichico type of coach will bench you.. if the 6'4 guy is the most capable big you have I will use it with my 4 guards(jong)

[mathematicianrcg]

Id rather have the 6'6 guy who plays big and very capable than a raw 6'9 although its a "great" thing if the 6'6 guy can play 3 and 4 and the 6'9 guy can play beside him and produce good results(it becomes the duty now of the 6'6 quality guy to make te 6'9 guy look good or decent..

If youre a Johnedel cardel(err bad example) or a Pido jarencio you will look bad on some average fans but you will push the 6'9 player and give him chance(pero alam namn natin na farm teams yun binigay kong example).. while a Tim Cone or Jong uichico type of coach will bench you.. if the 6'4 guy is the most capable big you have I will use it with my 4 guards(jong)

If our main goal is winning. Yeah, u always go with the more polished and talented player.

Developing a raw 6'9 or taller player come with a risk of losing some games.

[reamily]

If our main goal is winning. Yeah, u always go with the more polished and talented player.

Developing a raw 6'9 or taller player come with a risk of losing some games.

ok lang namn yan eh, what's difficult is losing a job for a coach..kung high school coach (pe teacher) baka pwede ngang you become a teacher of the game and apply seniority to your players

[IPC]

Id rather have the 6'6 guy who plays big and very capable than a raw 6'9 although its a "great" thing if the 6'6 guy can play 3 and 4 and the 6'9 guy can play beside him and produce good results(it becomes the duty now of the 6'6 quality guy to make te 6'9 guy look good or decent..

If youre a Johnedel cardel(err bad example) or a Pido jarencio you will look bad on some average fans but you will push the 6'9 player and give him chance(pero alam namn natin na farm teams yun binigay kong example).. while a Tim Cone or Jong uichico type of coach will bench you.. if the 6'4 guy is the most capable big you have I will use it with my 4 guards(jong)

If the 6'6" big is able to play 4, it's all good.

If you wanna win, use the best bigs, no matter how big or small. If you want to develop for Gilas, develop your tallest players to play smaller positions, if that tall player is 6'8" below.

This is why my philosophy is small-ball for development (unless you have a 6'7"+ PF and a 6'9"+ center), then you can use traditional ball once you get a few years into the pro or Gilas senior level, kas almost done na development ng players, e.

[thatweirdguy]

ok lang namn yan eh, what's difficult is losing a job for a coach..kung high school coach (pe teacher) baka pwede ngang you become a teacher of the game and apply seniority to your players

Well if I were to choose between isaac Holstein or Justin Chua playing C I'd definitely choose a guy whos 5 inch shorter. A lot of these stiffs really just happen to be tall without any knack for playing ball..

[IPC]

Well if I were to choose between isaac Holstein or Justin Chua playing C I'd definitely choose a guy whos 5 inch shorter. A lot of these stiffs really just happen to be tall without any knack for playing ball..

If the guy 5 inches shorter than a 7-footer can play the 4, I can take it. I think Chua has played the 4 before, so he can be a good candidate for a big.

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, do our collegiate & high school big men in the local scene still being taught of low post skills or back-to-the-basket moves? If so, how extensive (or maybe the lack of it) are they taught & train aspects like footwork, pivot & spin moves?

I feel low post or back-to-the-basket moves have become a dying skill among our big men. I remember during the 90's we had the likes of Patrimonio (for me the most skilled low post player in the PBA of all time), Benjie Paras, Jun Limpot, Bong Hawkins, Dennis Espino, Marlou Aquino, as among the PBA's most skilled post up players. Grabe ang footwork & pivot skills ng mga players na yun.

For now, parang kunting kunti na lang ang mga bigs sa PBA who have pretty decent low post moves. Parang sina Junmar at Greg Slaughter nalang ang talagang may desenting post up game.

The game today may have become so different from what it was during the 90's but I think malaking bagay pa rin ang low post game in today's game. I know the game today has become a run & gun type of game with more emphasis on 3-pt shooting but the problem is, yung 3-pt shooting or outside shooting are the most inconsistent offense in the game. Hindi mo pweding asahan lagi ang outside shooting kasi may prone to off nights ang mga shooters. On the other hand, mas consistent talaga ang inside or low post game.