One guy who i like and is underrated is Dennis Espino, who was a defender , yes not that athletic , but he has the mindset . I think that's feasible for a Pinoy
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostOne guy who i like and is underrated is Dennis Espino, who was a defender , yes not that athletic , but he has the mindset . I think that's feasible for a Pinoy
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostOne guy who i like and is underrated is Dennis Espino, who was a defender , yes not that athletic , but he has the mindset . I think that's feasible for a Pinoy
Mobile bigmen
1. Jun Limpot
2. Dennis Espino
3. Rommel Adducul
4. Danny Ildefonso
5. Kerby Raymundo
6. Mark Telan
7. Don Camaso
8. Ranide De Ocampo
9. Japeth Aguilar
10. Troy Rosario
11. Ian Sangalang
12. Carl Tamayo
13. Justine Baltazar
14. Kevin Quiambao
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Originally posted by tomcat View PostNatural-born pinoy with no foreign blood(malay race):
Mobile bigmen
1. Jun Limpot
2. Dennis Espino
3. Rommel Adducul
4. Danny Ildefonso
5. Kerby Raymundo
6. Mark Telan
7. Don Camaso
8. Ranide De Ocampo
9. Japeth Aguilar
10. Troy Rosario
11. Ian Sangalang
12. Carl Tamayo
13. Justine Baltazar
14. Kevin Quiambao
Sometimes, it pays to be an underdog. Complacency proved detrimental to Adducul’s development.Never look too far ahead. You might stumble on a block right in front of you.
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Question, for that list of mobile bigs, has anyone shot as well the 3s as Baltazar and Tsmayo are ? I guess RDO.
Makes me.wonder why, is Tab training them differently?
Why are they so proficient from 3 and in the past they weren't that good from 3 ?
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Originally posted by Wannabe View PostFor Ping Like attributes
My Bet in order:
1. Kevin Quiambao
2. Raven Cortez
If: They will be trained or exposed to TAB system
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Originally posted by NOiNU View PostSayang to si Adducul. When they were still amateurs, he is consensually regarded as a better player compared to Ildefonso. With them going different ways, the tables have turned. Adducul has become the face of the MBA but it was a case of being a big fish on a small pond. He became stagnant. Ildefonso meanwhile had to improve every aspect of his game to be at par with a more imposing and more skilled counterparts.
Sometimes, it pays to be an underdog. Complacency proved detrimental to Adducul’s development.
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Originally posted by tomcat View PostNatural-born pinoy with no foreign blood(malay race):
Mobile bigmen
1. Jun Limpot
2. Dennis Espino
3. Rommel Adducul
4. Danny Ildefonso
5. Kerby Raymundo
6. Mark Telan
7. Don Camaso
8. Ranide De Ocampo
9. Japeth Aguilar
10. Troy Rosario
11. Ian Sangalang
12. Carl Tamayo
13. Justine Baltazar
14. Kevin Quiambao
A 6'6"-6'8" Dennis Espino is feasible, like what sir DAdmiral said. Tough, strong, not that athletic, but a skilled post player and can play both big positions.
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Watching some game highlights of the 2021Afrobasket makes me realize the significance of good rim protectors. Actually most centers or bigs by these African teams aren't really that tall, wala namon halos silang 7-footer. But it is their ridiculous athleticism that makes them potent rim protectors. Most of these African teams aren't really that skilled, but they obviously have the size & athleticism.
That is why it is really crucial how Kai Sotto, Ange Kouame & AJ Edu would pan out. All of which have the potentials to become very good rim protectors. Hope AJ Edu's jumping ability & quickness are not diminished by the 2 ACL injuries he has sustained.
I think good rim protection is something we badly needed in the previous iterations of Gilas. Marcus Douthit was only 6-10 & he wasn't that athletic. Junmar is also 6-10 & isn't that athletic either. Japeth is very athletic but his lack of toughness & the tendency to bite fakes made him a less effective rim protector. It was Dray Blatche who exhibited good potential as a decent rim protector, but Blatche was overweight most of the time which limited his effectiveness.
I'm confident Kai, Kouame & Edu have significantly better potentials as decent rim protectors than Junmar, Douthit, Japeth & Blatche."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by IPC View PostI saw a take that Limpot had the ability to play 3. Man, he and Kerby Raymundo might have been able to play small-ball 4 in this current era of basketball.
A 6'6"-6'8" Dennis Espino is feasible, like what sir DAdmiral said. Tough, strong, not that athletic, but a skilled post player and can play both big positions.
I see some potential in Carl Tamayo as some sort of a Dennis Espino in terms of toughness (& maybe roughness as well), only that Espino was more of a back-to-the-basket type of a big man while Tamayo is more of a modern day "four".
"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostLimpot played some 3 with the Centennial team in the 1998 Asian Games. Coach Tim Cone wanted Limpot to play some small forward so as to match China's size, but it somewhat backfired becoz while Limpot had a pretty decent perimeter shooting for his size, he didn't have the quickness & the laterals to play as a small forward. Well what can one expect from a player who played exclussively as a big man throughout his basketball career?
I see some potential in Carl Tamayo as some sort of a Dennis Espino in terms of toughness (& maybe roughness as well), only that Espino was more of a back-to-the-basket type of a big man while Tamayo is more of a modern day "four".
Originally posted by IPC View PostYeah, Tamayo already has the toughness. He just needs to develop his inside game, both on offense and defense. He'll be one of our best ever bigs if that happens. One thing he can emulate from Espino is his defense.
Actually, I see him combining the offensive skills of a traditional four and a modern four. Sort of a combination big.
For 6'7"-6'8" bigs, which we're getting more of, an Espino type traditional 4 is more likely, with the toughness and strength rather than mobility and athleticism. I hope we can develop more.
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Originally posted by IPC View PostMan, I hope we produce some more 6'7"-6'8" players with the skillset of Limpot and/or Espino, and the toughness of the latter, and we can slot them at the 4. I see Tamayo and Baltazar getting the skillset of both, and Espino's toughness as well.
For 6'7"-6'8" bigs, which we're getting more of, an Espino type traditional 4 is more likely, with the toughness and strength rather than mobility and athleticism. I hope we can develop more.
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Originally posted by IPC View PostMan, I hope we produce some more 6'7"-6'8" players with the skillset of Limpot and/or Espino, and the toughness of the latter, and we can slot them at the 4. I see Tamayo and Baltazar getting the skillset of both, and Espino's toughness as well.
For 6'7"-6'8" bigs, which we're getting more of, an Espino type traditional 4 is more likely, with the toughness and strength rather than mobility and athleticism. I hope we can develop more.
Limpot did great in the PBA during his prime becoz he usually outsized most power forwards in the league who were only 6-3/6-4. Things were different in international basketball where most power forwards were bigger & taller than him."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by interxavierxxx View PostBoris Diaw
The Morris Twins
David West
Diaw survived more due to his versatility. Could shoot, drive, handle, and pass well for a big. He could pass well, period, probably better than Joakim Noah. A bit of a proto-Jokić. He had a nice post game to bully smaller defenders. Man, he exploited his versatility really nicely.
These two players, our 6'7"-6'8" bigs have a good chance of replicating.
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