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One guy who i like and is underrated is Dennis Espino, who was a defender , yes not that athletic , but he has the mindset . I think that's feasible for a Pinoy
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Espino played both big positions, especially when he played alongside Marlou Aquino. I hope most of our 6'6"-6'8" players can do the same. It's crucial that a lot of them are able to play the PF position.Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostComment
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Natural-born pinoy with no foreign blood(malay race):Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
Mobile bigmen
1. Jun Limpot
2. Dennis Espino
3. Rommel Adducul
4. Danny Ildefonso
5. Kerby Raymundo
6. Mark Telan
7. Don Camaso
8. Ranide De Ocampo
9. Japeth Aguilar
10. Troy Rosario
11. Ian Sangalang
12. Carl Tamayo
13. Justine Baltazar
14. Kevin QuiambaoComment
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Sayang to si Adducul. When they were still amateurs, he is consensually regarded as a better player compared to Ildefonso. With them going different ways, the tables have turned. Adducul has become the face of the MBA but it was a case of being a big fish on a small pond. He became stagnant. Ildefonso meanwhile had to improve every aspect of his game to be at par with a more imposing and more skilled counterparts.Originally posted by tomcat View Post
Sometimes, it pays to be an underdog. Complacency proved detrimental to Adducul’s development.Never look too far ahead. You might stumble on a block right in front of you.Comment
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Question, for that list of mobile bigs, has anyone shot as well the 3s as Baltazar and Tsmayo are ? I guess RDO.
Makes me.wonder why, is Tab training them differently?
Why are they so proficient from 3 and in the past they weren't that good from 3 ?Comment
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For Ping Like attributes
My Bet in order:
1. Kevin Quiambao
2. Raven Cortez
If: They will be trained or exposed to TAB systemComment
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Gilas will have to work extra hard to get them, since they play for La Salle. I hope they do play for Gilas while in college, as it would be helpful to develop them.Originally posted by Wannabe View PostComment
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Adducul was paid by ABS-CBN to stay with MBA, this is aside from his salary with Manila MetroStars. Short term was, Adducul got the money early, But Danny I. made a fortune on his early investments, and im not talking solely about finances. He drew a blueprint that allowed not only him to be successful but also his fam and community he supports.Originally posted by NOiNU View PostComment
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I saw a take that Limpot had the ability to play 3. Man, he and Kerby Raymundo might have been able to play small-ball 4 in this current era of basketball.Originally posted by tomcat View Post
A 6'6"-6'8" Dennis Espino is feasible, like what sir DAdmiral said. Tough, strong, not that athletic, but a skilled post player and can play both big positions.Comment
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Watching some game highlights of the 2021Afrobasket makes me realize the significance of good rim protectors. Actually most centers or bigs by these African teams aren't really that tall, wala namon halos silang 7-footer. But it is their ridiculous athleticism that makes them potent rim protectors. Most of these African teams aren't really that skilled, but they obviously have the size & athleticism.
That is why it is really crucial how Kai Sotto, Ange Kouame & AJ Edu would pan out. All of which have the potentials to become very good rim protectors. Hope AJ Edu's jumping ability & quickness are not diminished by the 2 ACL injuries he has sustained.
I think good rim protection is something we badly needed in the previous iterations of Gilas. Marcus Douthit was only 6-10 & he wasn't that athletic. Junmar is also 6-10 & isn't that athletic either. Japeth is very athletic but his lack of toughness & the tendency to bite fakes made him a less effective rim protector. It was Dray Blatche who exhibited good potential as a decent rim protector, but Blatche was overweight most of the time which limited his effectiveness.
I'm confident Kai, Kouame & Edu have significantly better potentials as decent rim protectors than Junmar, Douthit, Japeth & Blatche."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Limpot played some 3 with the Centennial team in the 1998 Asian Games. Coach Tim Cone wanted Limpot to play some small forward so as to match China's size, but it somewhat backfired becoz while Limpot had a pretty decent perimeter shooting for his size, he didn't have the quickness & the laterals to play as a small forward. Well what can one expect from a player who played exclussively as a big man throughout his basketball career?Originally posted by IPC View Post
I see some potential in Carl Tamayo as some sort of a Dennis Espino in terms of toughness (& maybe roughness as well
), only that Espino was more of a back-to-the-basket type of a big man while Tamayo is more of a modern day "four".
"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostLimpot played some 3 with the Centennial team in the 1998 Asian Games. Coach Tim Cone wanted Limpot to play some small forward so as to match China's size, but it somewhat backfired becoz while Limpot had a pretty decent perimeter shooting for his size, he didn't have the quickness & the laterals to play as a small forward. Well what can one expect from a player who played exclussively as a big man throughout his basketball career?
I see some potential in Carl Tamayo as some sort of a Dennis Espino in terms of toughness (& maybe roughness as well), only that Espino was more of a back-to-the-basket type of a big man while Tamayo is more of a modern day "four".Man, I hope we produce some more 6'7"-6'8" players with the skillset of Limpot and/or Espino, and the toughness of the latter, and we can slot them at the 4. I see Tamayo and Baltazar getting the skillset of both, and Espino's toughness as well.Originally posted by IPC View Post
For 6'7"-6'8" bigs, which we're getting more of, an Espino type traditional 4 is more likely, with the toughness and strength rather than mobility and athleticism. I hope we can develop more.Comment
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GILAS WISHLIST:
6'8 PingrisComment
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BTW, as skilled a power forward Limpot was, I think he lacked some physical toughness. He was more of a purely finnesse player. That I think was the reason why it was only in the 1998 Asian Games where he suited up for team Phi. Di na uli sya nakalaro pa sa national team.Originally posted by IPC View Post
Limpot did great in the PBA during his prime becoz he usually outsized most power forwards in the league who were only 6-3/6-4. Things were different in international basketball where most power forwards were bigger & taller than him."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Man, West was a tough SOB, same as Z-Bo. He was the tough guy for Indiana when he was there. He was also a great scoring option in NOLA and Indiana due to his skill and strength in the post. Good midrange shot too. Not that athletic, but strong and skilled, like I said.Originally posted by interxavierxxx View Post
Diaw survived more due to his versatility. Could shoot, drive, handle, and pass well for a big. He could pass well, period, probably better than Joakim Noah. A bit of a proto-Jokić. He had a nice post game to bully smaller defenders. Man, he exploited his versatility really nicely.
These two players, our 6'7"-6'8" bigs have a good chance of replicating.Comment
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