Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[IPC]

how bout corliss williamson. undersized (6'7") traditional PF. average athleticism, good post moves, decent shot from the perimeter (could have developed a 3 in this era), decent passer from the post, strong enough to defend bigger players. something tamayo can emulate. what's lacking is quick laterals to defend the perimeter

Corliss Williamson is the name only the og titos of nba would know ( and the batang 90s titos would deny knowing him)

ahh you beat me re: The Big Nasty Corlis Williamson. but probably the most effective 6'6 "big" in the last 10 years, is got to be Paul Milsap.

Corliss Williamson might be a good player for our bigs to emulate if ever they are developed as traditional bigs, that's a great skillset to have. If Tamayo can become our version of him, he's going to be a problem.

I cited Millsap earlier in this thread, and said that he might be a good big to emulate. Athleticism might be difficult, but if some of our bigs get his post repertoire, passing, shooting, and ability to play and defend the 4, that would be a treat.

Here's yet another player our local bigs can emulate.

Paul Millsap's one of those bigs that can handle, pass, and shoot, but he can also bang in the post and on the boards. I hope the Bulls get him on a minimum contract.

Anyways, like with Thad, I hope our 6'6"-6'8" bigs can primarily focus on his passing, low-post play, rebounding, ability to play and defend the 4, and toughness. The perimeter skills (handle and shooting) and ability to switch to the perimeter will be a bonus, and they'll learn to shoot anyway (it's basically a must in today's game).

Hopefully we can get some 6'7"-6'8" bigs to play like these NBA players, even if it's just the skillset and ability to play the 4.

[Dotch]

Roll back the tapes and watch former NZ bigman, the 6'6, Tab Baldwin-coached Pero Cameron.

[ARMIR]

I hope he makes a career abroad after his UP stint. Right now, he just needs more strength to complement that toughness, which will come with age. And, hopefully he can develop the athleticism of at least an RDO, that's one of the few things he's lacking at this point. That's when he can become a nice Euroleague prospect.

He's a little slow developer in the athleticism side,but that can be improve,with the right coaching and program,he will improve alot more and get better as time goes by,I'm hoping he would have a stint in the US NCAA school even for 2 or 3 years,Div.1 or 2 would not matter either one.

[ARMIR]

I predict we’re going to have more 6’7-6’8 bigs in the next two generations because we are getting taller on average as more kids get better livelihood and nutrition. Hope to see more kids who play like Carl or better.

Carl and Baltazar are not the norm yet,a 6'8 and 6'9 combo forward,are rare in Philippine basketball,it took awhile to have someone close to JA's height to play natural 3/4,so in the next 5 years I think the norm will be 6'6-6'7 in the 3 position,taller than that will still be 4 and 5 position.

[IPC]

Carl and Baltazar are not the norm yet,a 6'8 and 6'9 combo forward,are rare in Philippine basketball,it took awhile to have someone close to JA's height to play natural 3/4,so in the next 5 years I think the norm will be 6'6-6'7 in the 3 position,taller than that will still be 4 and 5 position.

Right now, as I repeatedly say, it's imperative that we teach our 6'7"-6'8" bigs to play 4 (whether traditional or modern), so that our best bigs will be playable internationally. We'll need big foreigners, though, and for the "height is might" mentality to apply to the 4-spot as well, instead of having 6'6"-6'8" bigs just back up the foreigner.

[alfrancis]

As much as I love us to have a Larry Johnson, that man is too steep of a goal for a Filipino player. That man was literally Zion before Zion. I just don't think that it is a realistic projection. That man was athletic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM_ZOgUG2HI

I think Kurt Thomas is a better alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POt-f-SdXg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQi136avDTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FNoFq-3CLA

In a way, Baltazar is similar to him but, of course, Baltazar shoots 3s more than him, other than his shooting. Kurt was a good post defender, not overly athletic like Johnson, Solid Rebounder, Physical player and he didn't shy away from contact , Didn’t really have that much of a post game but he was crafty and he had a long NBA career (17 seasons).

https://www.basketball-reference.com...thomaku01.html

Yeah Larry Johnson is a hybrid type of player. We have a pinoy version of him though, 6'2 Noli Locsin without the shooting, stocky but athletic. It would be nice if we have a 6'5 version of the "Tank". Kurt Thomas is more of a Poch Juinio type of player, a good defender, decent perimeter shooting and moves well without the ball.

[DAdmiral]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

[magic_chiongson]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

i'm still hoping raven cortez stays healthy enough and develops into this. he was one of if not the best defender in batang gilas

[IPC]

i'm still hoping raven cortez stays healthy enough and develops into this. he was one of if not the best defender in batang gilas

I hope he'll be available. As in, healthy, and also that he'll be lent by La Salle.

[IPC]

While it's good to have a sterch 4 or combo forward like Baltazar.
I'm wondering how feasible is it to develop an athletic 6'7 /6'8 active defensive though big like a Rodman? Or a 6 7 Ping to me is a missing piece for Gilas, we lack the thoughness.

I think it's possible for a 6'7"-6'8" player to play as a traditional 4, but I dunno about replicating Ping's leaping ability, strength, and quickness.

In terms of quickness, maybe Beau and Quiñahan (who are fairly quick) is realistic. Athleticism and strength, probably RDO's at best, which isn't bad.

[DAdmiral]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

[IPC]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

Yeah, Troy is active. He's a good offensive rebounder. Just needed to translate that on defense. Can he develop his defense at 29?

On defense, you need mobility, but also timing and anticipation in regards to team defense.

I think we might have mobile 6'7"-6'8" players who can replicate Ping's mobility. Quiambao, Raven Cortez. I only hope there are more.

[ja.he]

Troy has the physical traits.. if he bulks up , ( think Rodman lean pistons transformed to Bulls tough big Rodman), of course you have to change Troy's mental mindset, like he has to throw an elbow or two.. but the activity and physical raw traits are actually there.

BTW it's not just being physical, you need to be active and mobile, throwing dirty elbows isn't the idea , it's interior defensive presence and being able to rotate and be at the right spots for rebounds and covering

BTW this trait , is the advantage Baltazar has over Tamayo.. (it's activity and reaction reflexes..) by BTW while RDO was tough , he was kind of a liability defensively at the 4 spot at the world stage.. ( just being honest, he didn't have the physical gifts)

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

[JAMSKIE]

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

I like Tratter. I remember coach Chot picked him for Gilas in the 2nd window 2019 FIBA World Cup qualifiers. Tratter however is not that young anymore (28 yo).

[DAdmiral]

If that's the case, I will include Tratter and Kobe Paras then. Both players are around 6'6 and has the leaping ability. What they need is the swagger and toughness of Pingris. That's it.

That is actually the idea, you need the basic raw material as starting point, they have to be mobile and active enough, the next is off course all mental...
so that's my point of my question, can we develop a 6' 7 Ping basically. harnessing the raw material and training him mentally to love defense and dirty work