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  • Originally posted by Stevy View Post
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    We never know IPC, with his mobility it is more than possible but to prove this he has to play 3 in stretches in college or join the Gilas Senior program hopefully since he did in fairness once suit up for the flag in Youth competitions. Lets face it, we really did not expect Balty to be this effective as a 3 especially with only a year or less of training as a 3. I am so ecstatic with what we are seeing right now from him. I wish La Salle will cooperate more with the National Team.

    Kevin Quiambao and Raven Cortez will not be able to meet their senior Justine Baltazar for the time being. The two La Salle commits have begged off from joining Gilas Pilipinas in its month-long training camp at Inspire Sports Academy in Calamba, Laguna starting Monday. And it’s because the two are in the midst of […]


    In fairness, the end of the article was very positive. I do hope their words will turn into action. I hope they can join Gilas soon.
    Correct. And to think that Baltazar isn't really that young anymore. Prior to the 3rd window Asia Cup qualifiers, I wasn't really that optimistic about Baltazar's conversion to the wing spot.

    About Raven Cortez, what I've seen is his mobility playing for Batang Gilas, but I have yet to see his ability to hit from the outside (kahit medium range shot lang) & his ability to put the ball on the floor. Too bad he already had a knee injury this early in his career.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
      Man, at 6'7"-6'8", he's a good candidate for the 4-spot. With his mobility, can he be a 3 like Baltazar and Tamayo?

      I hope he gets past his injuries. Knee injuries are no joke, just ask Edu. And, I hope La Salle is willing to let him (and Kevin Quiambao) play for the national team.
      Speaking of Quiambao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CVGExurAs

      I just hope that Quiambao's reasons for turning down the Gilas invite are nothing more than academics & his recent trip to Dubai. Sana nga yun lang talaga ang dahilan. Let's pretend na lang that there is no any other reason. Well, if Quiambao & Raven Cortez won't be training with Gilas by next year, then that confirms what everyone here thinks or believe - mahirap talaga palaruin sa National team ang mga berde.

      Yes, Baltazar played for Gilas despite him being a green, but it was only made possible becoz of "backdoor" transaction between SBP & Baltazar's handlers.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        Correct. And to think that Baltazar isn't really that young anymore. Prior to the 3rd window Asia Cup qualifiers, I wasn't really that optimistic about Baltazar's conversion to the wing spot.

        About Raven Cortez, what I've seen is his mobility playing for Batang Gilas, but I have yet to see his ability to hit from the outside (kahit medium range shot lang) & his ability to put the ball on the floor. Too bad he already had a knee injury this early in his career.
        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        Well, if Quiambao & Raven Cortez won't be training with Gilas by next year, then that confirms what everyone here thinks or believe - mahirap talaga palaruin sa National team ang mga berde
        All that we can do for now is to be optimistic! That all of our players will develop nicely, that all of the parties will cooperate and also that we will finally, finally have continuity with the program beyond 2023. No more coaching changes, philosophy changes or whatsoever. Doesn’t matter if we end up reaching our goals in 2023 but go back to the PBA 10 day training days.

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        • Originally posted by Stevy View Post
          Damn, I remember Zach from his days in Memphis man especially from 2011 because of Dirk’s run that year. I remembered them taking out the SPURS as a lower ranked team. Memphis was so nice man, the grit and grind. Only a few people can appreciate that style of play. Good player to emulate by the way like you said especially when we consider his lack of athleticism but he did have that body and strength to be effective. He also has great basketball instincts. Dude was so strong also aside from this he was also a very very tough player mentally. I hope our players can somehow recreate that physique while maintaining the same mobility as him.
          I don't remember Memphis Z-Bo being that mobile. He mostly used his strength, savvy, and length to finish in the post. That, plus his midrange jumper could open things up for him. I think that kind of play style can be easily replicated by our 6'7"-6'8" bigs. They just need to be able to play the 4, which is Z-Bo's exact position. That lack of mobility however kinda contributed to Z-Bo becoming a defensive liability.

          We already have Belga and Quiñahan, who are heavy but mobile, however they're 6'5". We might want to develop a 6'7"-6'8" version of that, which can also play the 4.

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          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
            I don't remember Memphis Z-Bo being that mobile. He mostly used his strength, savvy, and length to finish in the post. That, plus his midrange jumper could open things up for him. I think that kind of play style can be easily replicated by our 6'7"-6'8" bigs. They just need to be able to play the 4, which is Z-Bo's exact position. That lack of mobility however kinda contributed to Z-Bo becoming a defensive liability.
            Oh my bad, I should have made it more clearer. I meant that he was quick enough to drive past his opponents. Yep, I really need to watch a few old Memphis games to be more accurate about Randolph hehehe, it has been so long. All I remember from him right now was his physicality, his offense and reputation as a tough SOB, I should re watch a few grit and grind Memphis games.

            Originally posted by IPC View Post
            We already have Belga and Quiñahan, who are heavy but mobile, however they're 6'5". We might want to develop a 6'7"-6'8" version of that, which can also play the 4.
            Well said, I wouldn't mind a 6’7 – 6’8 Belga and maybe a bit quicker but other than that, it is a good example. I think a player like that would be effective for the Gilas team especially his ability to stretch out the floor. Hope we can produce those soon.

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            • Originally posted by Stevy View Post
              Oh my bad, I should have made it more clearer. I meant that he was quick enough to drive past his opponents. Yep, I really need to watch a few old Memphis games to be more accurate about Randolph hehehe, it has been so long. All I remember from him right now was his physicality, his offense and reputation as a tough SOB, I should re watch a few grit and grind Memphis games.



              Well said, I wouldn't mind a 6’7 – 6’8 Belga and maybe a bit quicker but other than that, it is a good example. I think a player like that would be effective for the Gilas team especially his ability to stretch out the floor. Hope we can produce those soon.
              ZBo in his prime had moments when he was quick footed offensively. I think that one series victory against the Spurs was a good example. His quick step backs ate Duncan and company alive. I think he got injured in the next series. He lost foot speed after that. In his prime he was much quicker than Belga or Quinahan offensively.

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              • Originally posted by Stevy View Post
                Oh my bad, I should have made it more clearer. I meant that he was quick enough to drive past his opponents. Yep, I really need to watch a few old Memphis games to be more accurate about Randolph hehehe, it has been so long. All I remember from him right now was his physicality, his offense and reputation as a tough SOB, I should re watch a few grit and grind Memphis games.

                Well said, I wouldn't mind a 6’7 – 6’8 Belga and maybe a bit quicker but other than that, it is a good example. I think a player like that would be effective for the Gilas team especially his ability to stretch out the floor. Hope we can produce those soon.
                Originally posted by Rds View Post
                ZBo in his prime had moments when he was quick footed offensively. I think that one series victory against the Spurs was a good example. His quick step backs ate Duncan and company alive. I think he got injured in the next series. He lost foot speed after that. In his prime he was much quicker than Belga or Quinahan offensively.
                Oh, prime Z-Bo was quick. Didn't know that. I was under the impression that he used his savvy. Probably should have seen from the stepbacks.

                Well, hope we can produce a 6'7"-6'8" version of at least Memphis Z-Bo, the one where he lost foot speed. Strong low-post presence with a good midrange jumper. A 6'7"-6'8" Belga would be nice too.

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                  Oh, prime Z-Bo was quick. Didn't know that. I was under the impression that he used his savvy. Probably should have seen from the stepbacks.

                  Well, hope we can produce a 6'7"-6'8" version of at least Memphis Z-Bo, the one where he lost foot speed. Strong low-post presence with a good midrange jumper. A 6'7"-6'8" Belga would be nice too.
                  Well not really quick by NBA standards. But being sometimes smaller than other front court players he used a quick step to either setup his jumpshot or drive to the hoop.

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                  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                    I see the significant upgrade in the 3 & 4 spots would be felt by Philippine basketball about 5 to 6 years from now. And I see kids Francis Lopez, Caelum Harris & Mason Amos providing the most significant upgrade. Those kids have the size, skills & athleticism. Since these cagers are expected to train in the US, their true potential would be fully utilized. Yun ang edge ng mga foreign trained players sa mga home grown or locally trained Pinoy players eh.

                    I see Amos, Lopez, Harris as significant upgrades or improvements from the likes of home grown or locally trained 4's & 3's like Baltazar, Tamayo, Oftana, Navarro, & Javi GDL.

                    Hope Kobe Paras gets considerable improvements in his game, in particular his shooting & ball handling, in his current training in the US. Sana naman magbunga talaga yung US training ni Kobe.
                    Hopefully, we get taller fours, which is why I hope our 6'6"-6'8" bigs are taught to play the PF position, not just center, so that they won't sit behind the import, and thus get the opportunity to develop, and so that the good ones won't be a liability internationally. Ayun na nga, Baltazar and Tamayo (who can actually play the 3) are a good start.

                    Hopefully Demisana, Gagate, Salvoro, Adrian Sollano, and Kurt Perciano can follow by being effective fours. All are 6'7"-6'8". Hopefully more 6'7"-6'8" bigs can become good fours.

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                    • Watching some videos of Mason Amos gives me the feeling that this kid would be a significant upgrade from our past "fours" RDO, Japeth & current fours Baltazar & Tamayo. Amos really looks very talented at his tender age of 16 (I mean the videos that I saw are when he was still 16 yrs old). People are right, he really resembles Danny Seigle skill-set wise & with the way he moves. Hindi nga lang sya as athletic as Seigle. I'm very impressed with Amos' 3-point shooting. Hope he enrolls in an NCAA div. 1 school in the US so that mas ma utilize yung potential nya.

                      I think in about 5 yrs. I expect grabe na ang maging impact nya sa Gilas senior team.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        Speaking of Quiambao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CVGExurAs

                        I just hope that Quiambao's reasons for turning down the Gilas invite are nothing more than academics & his recent trip to Dubai. Sana nga yun lang talaga ang dahilan. Let's pretend na lang that there is no any other reason. Well, if Quiambao & Raven Cortez won't be training with Gilas by next year, then that confirms what everyone here thinks or believe - mahirap talaga palaruin sa National team ang mga berde.

                        Yes, Baltazar played for Gilas despite him being a green, but it was only made possible becoz of "backdoor" transaction between SBP & Baltazar's handlers.
                        I hope they can play for Gilas next year. Sayang development years, e. And, we're not sure if UAAP basketball can continue, not with the way things are going.

                        Actually, Gilas training would be beneficial for the UAAP schools lending the players. They would see massive improvement from their players, like in the form of more diverse skillsets, such as with Baltazar and Tamayo, who have become capable of playing both forward positions competently. I can see this outcome as possible for Quiambao if he takes the invitation. Cortez, probably, provided his knee injury doesn't affect him that much.

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                          I see the behavior of these schools & handlers of not letting their players to join Gilas in this pandemic period, when college basketball is on a lull, as selfish & detrimental to the development of the players. If you prohibit your player, who has been inactive in basketball for almost 2 years, to join the National training pool/team, eh para mo na ring pinigilan ang kanyang development & opportunities to improve his game.

                          The thing is, everything is still uncertain as far as college basketball is concerned. Everything is up in the air. Nobody knows when college basketball would resume. Kung ang professional league like the PBA has difficulty running a basketball season, college basketball pa kaya which is subject to a stricter safety health standards in this pandemic.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                            Hopefully, we get taller fours, which is why I hope our 6'6"-6'8" bigs are taught to play the PF position, not just center, so that they won't sit behind the import, and thus get the opportunity to develop, and so that the good ones won't be a liability internationally. Ayun na nga, Baltazar and Tamayo (who can actually play the 3) are a good start.

                            Hopefully Demisana, Gagate, Salvoro, Adrian Sollano, and Kurt Perciano can follow by being effective fours. All are 6'7"-6'8". Hopefully more 6'7"-6'8" bigs can become good fours.
                            Tamayo is the pioneer. The guy is honestly like a 6’8 hybrid of RdO and Pingris. The toughness under the hoop and soft touch from the outside/perimeter makes Carl a EuroLeague prospect if he continues to improve.
                            GILAS WISHLIST:
                            6'8 Pingris

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                            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                              Here's another classic low-post 4 our 6'7"-6'8" bigs can emulate.



                              This guy was a low-post beast in Memphis. Not very athletic, but he was strong and skilled in the block. Well, having a 7'4" wingspan helps him finish over bigger defenders. He also had a good midrange jumper.
                              I also liked DeJuan Blair. He contributed quite well during the 2010-13 Spurs playoff run. Honestly preferred him over Tiago Splitter.
                              GILAS WISHLIST:
                              6'8 Pingris

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                              • Originally posted by interxavierxxx View Post
                                Tamayo is the pioneer. The guy is honestly like a 6’8 hybrid of RdO and Pingris. The toughness under the hoop and soft touch from the outside/perimeter makes Carl a EuroLeague prospect if he continues to improve.
                                I hope he makes a career abroad after his UP stint. Right now, he just needs more strength to complement that toughness, which will come with age. And, hopefully he can develop the athleticism of at least an RDO, that's one of the few things he's lacking at this point. That's when he can become a nice Euroleague prospect.

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