Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[mathematicianrcg]

Baltazar looks like he's gonna play the 3 or small-ball 4 a lot. He's found a shooting touch against MENA teams.

Tamayo looks more like a big who combines the skills of a traditional big (pounding the ball inside, post game) and those of a perimeter player (handle, shooting). He just needs some room to grow. Among our current Gilas players, he has one of the highest upsides on the team. Hope he fulfills it and goes to some overseas league.

TAMAYO AND BALTAZAR development as wings or combo forwards will be crucial for our 2023 campaign.

KAI AND AJ already occupies the big man slot.

DWIGHT AND JC will occupy the swings.

[C2Hamm]

TAMAYO AND BALTAZAR development as wings or combo forwards will be crucial for our 2023 campaign.

KAI AND AJ already occupies the big man slot.

DWIGHT AND JC will occupy the swings.

as much as I like AJ, as long as we have not seen him healthy for a whole year while playing some real games, cant really count on him yet. Bonus nlng if he becomes healthy and available.

[IPC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfnFAvRamYo

I don't know if the plan by Salvoro to play high school basketball for the Ateneo de Cebu/Sacred Heart School panned out. Well, I hope so. And I hope he ends up playing college basketball with Ateneo De Manila University. Huwag lang sya mapunta sa mga berde or sa Letran ni Long Hair. Heaven forbid.

Salvoro looks promising. Imagine a 6-foot-11 version of Kim Jongkyu or a 6-10 version of Justin Baltazar.

What's Salvoro's wingspan? seems like his arms are almost at knee level, looks like the perfect ape index for basketball freaks. This kid's potential would be far beyond local leagues if developed right.

Best-case scenario is Ateneo de Manila. Tab might develop him into something like Baltazar or Tamayo, or probably (I hope I'm not reaching here) something better than both.

A 6'10" combo forward? That might be a first in Philippine basketball. Man. But at 6'7" or 6'8", that's good enough for combo forward. I think he just needs to work on his post game. Just use his length and develop some footwork.

Offensively, he could use Julius Randle and Domantas Sabonis as templates. Bigs who have perimeter skills and are good passers, but can also make a killing in the post.

[IPC]

B. League local centers dont even average double digits in scoring and reb. With most offense and defense concentration on imports. How will those center improve. Japanese might have some height but not athleticism. They will always be in a disadvantage unless they are half breed or rare occasion like Yuta. For us having 7ft is a rare sightings, also well coordinated one.

Beside their two NBA players did even play in B. League.

This is where we hold an advantage over the Japanese. We're better at developing bigs. The import limits kinda help, like you had said, and I can concede that point. We just need to play our 6'6"-6'8" bigs alongside our bigger imports, and our bigs need to get used to playing the 4 (which is similar to the 5, if you look at it traditionally). Kasi, if we play our bigs behind the bigger import, wala rin, parang Japanese system na 'yan.

[Stevy]

Interesting to see Kouame get some love from the Australians in their forum. I guess they tuned in to Fiba Asia more than I thought, or maybe from his performance in the OQT?

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/49099-jackjumpers-third-import-mikyle-mcintosh/

[Rds]

Best-case scenario is Ateneo de Manila. Tab might develop him into something like Baltazar or Tamayo, or probably (I hope I'm not reaching here) something better than both.

A 6'10" combo forward? That might be a first in Philippine basketball. Man. But at 6'7" or 6'8", that's good enough for combo forward. I think he just needs to work on his post game. Just use his length and develop some footwork.

Offensively, he could use Julius Randle and Domantas Sabonis as templates. Bigs who have perimeter skills and are good passers, but can also make a killing in the post.

He looks skinny. But he seems to have the work ethic to improve his skills. 6'11 that's Durant height. I hope he continues with his skills training.

[zairex]

This is where we hold an advantage over the Japanese. We're better at developing bigs. The import limits kinda help, like you had said, and I can concede that point. We just need to play our 6'6"-6'8" bigs alongside our bigger imports, and our bigs need to get used to playing the 4 (which is similar to the 5, if you look at it traditionally). Kasi, if we play our bigs behind the bigger import, wala rin, parang Japanese system na 'yan.

I agree. I mean look at the PBA, who are the players who don't have an outside shot. JMF, Greg, Gabayni. Even in UAAP and NCAA, I don't know any starters that don't have an outside shot.

[IPC]

I agree. I mean look at the PBA, who are the players who don't have an outside shot. JMF, Greg, Gabayni. Even in UAAP and NCAA, I don't know any starters that don't have an outside shot.

Just need them to be able to play the power forward position, whether a traditional bruising 4 or a more modern, more perimeter skilled one, or maybe even both.

[JAMSKIE]

Best-case scenario is Ateneo de Manila. Tab might develop him into something like Baltazar or Tamayo, or probably (I hope I'm not reaching here) something better than both.

A 6'10" combo forward? That might be a first in Philippine basketball. Man. But at 6'7" or 6'8", that's good enough for combo forward. I think he just needs to work on his post game. Just use his length and develop some footwork.

Offensively, he could use Julius Randle and Domantas Sabonis as templates. Bigs who have perimeter skills and are good passers, but can also make a killing in the post.

In as much as we would like to be optimistic that Fil-foreign young players like Caelum Harris & Mason Amos would pan out as serviceable modern day "fours" or even combo forwards for Gilas, iba pa rin ang feeling that Phi basketball can develop full-blooded Pinoy big guys with some wingmen skills or centers with perimeter skills. If trained properly & early (ASAP), Salvoro, Lantaya, Lepalam, Gagate, Demisana could be among those guys, hopefully.

[Stevy]

In as much as we would like to be optimistic that Fil-foreign young players like Caelum Harris & Mason Amos would pan out as serviceable modern day "fours" or even combo forwards for Gilas, iba pa rin ang feeling that Phi basketball can develop full-blooded Pinoy big guys with some wingmen skills or centers with perimeter skills. If trained properly & early (ASAP), Salvoro, Lantaya, Lepalam, Gagate, Demisana could be among those guys, hopefully.

Well said man, we need to start looking ahead of 2023. For now, there are no concrete plans being discussed by the SBP about beyond 2023. At least from your post we truly have a future. I hope the guys you mentioned will develop into combo forwards and etc. I am also very happy about Caelum specifically, he is ranked 27th right now in the USA based on a video I saw of him. He has a bright future ahead of him, I hope things will continue to go up for him. I hope Caelum will be in the NBA player in the future for his career and Gilas sake.

[JAMSKIE]

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We now have the materials eh. I mean, having current & projected 6-foot-8/6-foot-9/6-foot-10 in the youth level is now common unlike 2 or 3 decades ago. I remember, during the early 90's, parang subrang big deal na talaga that we had 6-9 Marlou Aquino, 7-foot EJ Feihl, 6-9 Bonel Balingit & 6-7 Chris Bolado.

Pinoy basketball players are getting bigger & unlike those "tall" Pinoy players that we had in the 90's like Feihl, Balingit & Bolado who were slow, clumsy & not that skilled, yung mga current "tall" players natin are in the different level. Karamihan sa kanila nakakapag dribble, nakaka tira sa labas, aren't awkward or clumsy, & are mobile.

We now have the materials but what we lack is a good system. Having the current Gilas program headed by Tab Baldwin is a good start. But I feel, we still need significant improvement in the system, in particular how we develop or groom our young good size bigs. The idea here is for for the likes of Lantaya, Lepalam, Demisana, Salvoro, Gagate, etc. to join the Gilas program as early as possible. Unfortunately, some of our tall big young hopefuls are handled by the evil forces, hence they can't commit to the Gilas program as of now.

[IPC]

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We now have the materials eh. I mean, having current & projected 6-foot-8/6-foot-9/6-foot-10 in the youth level is now common unlike 2 or 3 decades ago. I remember, during the early 90's, parang subrang big deal na talaga that we had 6-9 Marlou Aquino, 7-foot EJ Feihl, 6-9 Bonel Balingit & 6-7 Chris Bolado.

Pinoy basketball players are getting bigger & unlike those "tall" Pinoy players that we had in the 90's like Feihl, Balingit & Bolado who were slow, clumsy & not that skilled, yung mga current "tall" players natin are in the different level. Karamihan sa kanila nakakapag dribble, nakaka tira sa labas, aren't awkward or clumsy, & are mobile.

We now have the materials but what we lack is a good system.

And now, we have 6'7"-6'8" players who can play the PF spot. Baltazar and Tamayo are just the beginning, but they're a great start, and both have played the 3 for Gilas.

I really hope we can train as many bigs as possible to play the forward positions, kahit 4 lang, and even a traditional 4 at that. That way we won't have as many bigs who are too short for the center position internationally, but can't play 4.

[JAMSKIE]

And now, we have 6'7"-6'8" players who can play the PF spot. Baltazar and Tamayo are just the beginning, but they're a great start, and both have played the 3 for Gilas.

I really hope we can train as many bigs as possible to play the forward positions, kahit 4 lang, and even a traditional 4 at that. That way we won't have as many bigs who are too short for the center position internationally, but can't play 4.

A No. of 6-9/6-10 mobile & with decent shooting center in the mold of Kim Jong-kyu, would be ok as well.

[IPC]

In as much as we would like to be optimistic that Fil-foreign young players like Caelum Harris & Mason Amos would pan out as serviceable modern day "fours" or even combo forwards for Gilas, iba pa rin ang feeling that Phi basketball can develop full-blooded Pinoy big guys with some wingmen skills or centers with perimeter skills. If trained properly & early (ASAP), Salvoro, Lantaya, Lepalam, Gagate, Demisana could be among those guys, hopefully.

Lepalam and Gagate are with the La Salle system, and Lantaya is with Letran. That's gonna present some difficulty when Gilas asks for them.

Personally, I hope Lantaya becomes a good low-post player like Larry Muyang was. That's going to be an asset. A 6'9" guy who can post up is going to be a huge mismatch in PH basketball. I also hope he can play the 4.

[Stevy]

^^^ Well said guys! All in all, I do hope that the SBP Gilas program will hire NBA level trainers to train these guys if ever they are part of the program. I am not sure about the trainers of Balty/Tamayo that made them capable to play the 3 and they did a hell of a job on them but if we can find better trainers of course than why not?

Only hope for the guys who cannot join the Gilas program like Jamskie addressed is that to hope that the development methods of the youth programs, college programs like La salle like IPC mentioned will finally improve. Hopefully they can hire international level trainers/NBA level trainers/Euro League Trainers to develop these guys. UP seems to be in the right direction if they will end up hiring that Foreign coach. I am sure that he will change the way UP develops players too.