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  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

    just feel "panghihinayang" lang that some of the most promising young big men in amateur basketball like Lantaya, Lepalam, Umpad, Quiambao, Raven Cortez have been idle for about a year & a half already & it doesn't look like their idleness is going to end soon as college basketball in the country is still on uncertain times. If only these players can join the current Gilas cadet program but as we all know most of these players are handled by groups not friendly with SBP. That's politics in Phi basketball as its worst. I hate to say this but these players idleness stalls their development & progress. Imagine the lost time & opportunity to improve & develop. While if only these players get to attend Gilas traning, one can be almost certain of their significant improvement.
    Exactly. Gilas has a deep frontline pool to choose from. The guys that you mentioned could have given Gilas even more frontline help. And you're right, significant improvement, which undoubtedly will help their schools get better.

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    • One significant benefit a young promising player can get in joining the Gilas cadet training pool is that, even if said player won't make it to the final roster of Gilas in certain window qualifiers or FIBA tournament proper(becoz its not yet his time), just being trained by coach Tab as well as the among the elite coaches & skills trainers in the country is already significant. Then add to that is being able to practice, scrimmage & play with & against the best amateur players in Phi basketball is already a huge help as far as development is concerned

      Imagine having to play/practice with somebody like a Kai Sotto or a Kouame or a Thirdy Ravens or a Dwight Ramos.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
        https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/gila...glimpse-future

        Because of what Kai and Kouame provide, we're basically set at Center. so in terms of need it's better that we develop AJ Edu and other bigs as 4's for FIBA..
        I feel this point should stand wherein we develop most our other bigs as fours. They have leeway to post-up like traditional fours, but it gives them more room for versatility. However, we might have to use small-ball systems at the youth level.

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        • Yep we're set at C with Kai and Ange. But I feel we still need an insurance in case Kai isn't available. Geo feels like a solid backup but we really need someone of AJ's calibre. Kquiam and the others looks like combo forwards to me

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          • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
            Yep we're set at C with Kai and Ange. But I feel we still need an insurance in case Kai isn't available. Geo feels like a solid backup but we really need someone of AJ's calibre. Kquiam and the others looks like combo forwards to me
            The likes of Quiambao looking like combo forwards, that's actually a good development already. At least we'll be seeing taller players in the forward positions, which we actually need more than the 5. As I've been repeatedly saying, we need our bigs to be developed this way as a general rule.

            Hopefully Edu can recover and Chiu can at least perform well internationally. However, there will be times that we might have to go small when neither of Kouame or Kai are playing, with a natural 4 playing the 5.

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            • Originally posted by IPC View Post

              Hopefully Edu can recover and Chiu can at least perform well internationally. However, there will be times that we might have to go small when neither of Kouame or Kai are playing, with a natural 4 playing the 5.
              Which makes Edu a vital component of the Gilas program, specially during times that Kai won't be available. Too bad though that Edu has to endure 2 ACL injuries early in his career.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • I see AJ Edu as more skilled than Ange Kouame. I think in terms of handles & shooting, Edu is better. However, Edu's injuries & inactivity in the last 2 years may be hurting his development. Kouame on the other hand has made significant improvent in the last 2 years, moreso with his inclussion in the Gilas program.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                  Which makes Edu a vital component of the Gilas program, specially during times that Kai won't be available. Too bad though that Edu has to endure 2 ACL injuries early in his career.
                  I think this is the 3rd knee injury. He had the first playing for Gilas. The second was a few games into his come back. And now the third. He should take it easy.

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                  • Originally posted by Rds View Post
                    I think this is the 3rd knee injury. He had the first playing for Gilas. The second was a few games into his come back. And now the third. He should take it easy.
                    I think the 2nd knee injury was just an MCL which isn't that serious. Perhaps that MCL injury didn't require surgery.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                      A 6'8" player who can play PF, even if a classic PF, is already good, actually. How many 6'8", or even 6'7" and above players, can play PF in the PBA and the collegiate level (which I think really should be the general rule for bigs under 6'9")?
                      Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                      Let me Count.

                      Pba.(6'7 above who can play 4 effective)

                      1. Japeth

                      2. Standhardinger

                      3. Tautuaa

                      4.Sanggalang(?)

                      5. Troy Rosario

                      6.Troy Rike

                      7.Norbert Torres

                      I think thats it. In Pba. I am not even sure with Ian and Norbert.

                      Most Pba PFs are in 6'4-6:6 range. But most of them are traditional PF. Thet should be a wing PF if thir height is in that range
                      Well, the PBA's format (an All-Filipino conference and a height limit on imports, especially the 6'5" one, and even the proposed 6'7"-6'8" height limit in this year's proposed import conferences) ensures that this will remain the status quo. Same with the NCAA's import ban.

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                      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                        Well, the PBA's format (an All-Filipino conference and a height limit on imports, especially the 6'5" one, and even the proposed 6'7"-6'8" height limit in this year's proposed import conferences) ensures that this will remain the status quo. Same with the NCAA's import ban.


                        If only the PBA add more teams and only two conference,where the 2nd have two imports one 6'6 and the other unlimited and have FIBA rules,it would just make the games more interesting and fun to watch.

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                        • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                          If only the PBA add more teams and only two conference,where the 2nd have two imports one 6'6 and the other unlimited and have FIBA rules,it would just make the games more interesting and fun to watch.
                          I'm OK with just the one import limit, but it's of unlimited height (well for the meantime). With the 6'6" import, it might deny our 6'6"-6'8" bigs a chance to play the PF position. However unlikely it might be, 6'6" imports might be slotted at the 4. I wanna help our 6'6"-6'8" bigs thrive in whatever level, even if it's only from the 4 spot, not the 5.

                          Though I guess the one import limit would be only truly helpful in the collegiate leagues, as the collegiate years form part of the player's developmental years. As for our bigs, they would be better spent at the 4 spot.

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                          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                            I'm OK with just the one import limit, but it's of unlimited height (well for the meantime). With the 6'6" import, it might deny our 6'6"-6'8" bigs a chance to play the PF position. However unlikely it might be, 6'6" imports might be slotted at the 4. I wanna help our 6'6"-6'8" bigs thrive in whatever level, even if it's only from the 4 spot, not the 5.

                            Though I guess the one import limit would be only truly helpful in the collegiate leagues, as the collegiate years form part of the player's developmental years. As for our bigs, they would be better spent at the 4 spot.

                            I mean a conference with two imports should be an invitational conference,one import of course a 5,he's backup of course is the local big man,so that they will have experience playing against real international size bigs,the other should be a 3,so that should give the locals size on that position.

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                            • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                              I mean a conference with two imports should be an invitational conference,one import of course a 5,he's backup of course is the local big man,so that they will have experience playing against real international size bigs,the other should be a 3,so that should give the locals size on that position.
                              I'd rather the local big learn to be the import's partner, generally. It will give us size on this position.

                              But, yeah. the main import is a 5 and the invitational is a 3, so that we'll have size on all positions. Well, provided the coach doesn't make the local big back up the import, and instead makes said big the import's partner.

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                              • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                                I'd rather the local big learn to be the import's partner, generally. It will give us size on this position.

                                But, yeah. the main import is a 5 and the invitational is a 3, so that we'll have size on all positions. Well, provided the coach doesn't make the local big back up the import, and instead makes said big the import's partner.

                                I really like the idea of also the local coaches pitting their talents against the coach of an invited Euro/Asian team,and also get an experience in actually how to coach and use skilled big men in big positions.

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