Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[carmelo7]

If not for covid , batang gilas should've there. Kai, ice, Briones, Lopez, Harris, Harper, imagine that

Mason Amos could've been there too sayang tsk

[carmelo7]

closer to 6'5, the thing w/ RDO he always had a straight posture

OT: Canada's U19 team has a 7'4-7'5 player in Zachry Edey of Purdue Univ

[PaulLee3]

closer to 6'5, the thing w/ RDO he always had a straight posture

OT: Canada's U19 team has a 7'4-7'5 player in Zachry Edey of Purdue Univ

Hopefully the PBA Measured their current players height just like in the NBA. Luka Doncic is 6'6.5". LeBron is 6'8.5". Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant both legit 6'10". To see if some young players grew after they were measured by the PBA Officials.

[IPC]

Here's an NBA player that our prospective bigs can emulate offensively. His skillset is similar to that of RDO. Post-up, drive, hit jumpers, all of which are required of star PFs (remember, I've always advocated for our young 6'6"-6'8" bigs to be able to play PF).

Now all that is needed is for the guards to be willing to give their skilled bigman the ball.

[ARMIR]

Hopefully the PBA Measured their current players height just like in the NBA. Luka Doncic is 6'6.5". LeBron is 6'8.5". Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant both legit 6'10". To see if some young players grew after they were measured by the PBA Officials.

With shoes on in the NBA by the 00s,since they do play with their shoes on.

[ccharmed]

The latest nba height measurements are without shoes anymore. Kai would be at least 7'2 without shoes, as monster boban is a good measuring stick -- at least 7'3.

Some comments here are really ridiculous. Kai is not shooting well because he is way below the ideal muscled weight of 250-260lbs for his frame. Boban and jokic are bigger-boned and would perform best at 270-280lbs. The lightness of 230lb kai means he can be very easily imbalanced or nudged away without fouls before shooting. Boban looks a muscled 300lbs today.

Wait for kai to go over 250lbs -- about 3 years from now -- then post in this site his averages and efficiency metrics. You all know what happened when monster boban got angry, and went Incredible Hulk.

The most laughable accusation is that kai and kouame are disastrous together. Well before the oqt i already posted here that tab never ever had frontline or post domination plays, because new zealand never had dominant frontliners. The new zealanders are rather small. Other asian countries can match their size with ease.

So, the tab-coached 123s are never used to powering up frontline scoring. It also happens that pinoy tiny and midget guards are possibly the most bwakaw in the world, and with "feeling-nba" delusions of grandeur. None wil ever admit they belong at best to uaap, mpbl and pba.

Kitang kita na mas gurang na pang-uaap lang na sj na ayaw pasahan ang nbl/nba destined former teammate na kai. Ayan problema ng mas matanda na hindi matanggap na they are not good enough. Dapat alam mo rin player behavioral dynamics at malaki impact sa laro. Gaya nuong paano naglalaro si sj sa ateneo high school, kung may kaibigan ka sa ateneo na nakita siyang maglaro (22 na yata siya, si kai nag 19 lang ng may 2021).

Tab needs to get a lot more frontline set plays. Sayang if aussie-toughened kai, ncaa toughened edu, and kouame cant group-score at least 40points or more in top 20 fiba nt wars because there are no plays for them. Remember, the lakers consistently won a lot of trophies with well-supported dominant bigs.

Tab's system is good, but not perfect. It is too gentlemanly if i may so so. We have pretty vicious and tough big and bigger guards and frontliners here with more war experience. It is like going ragnarok with frost and fire giants with no odin and thor in the frontline.

Guiao makes better use of warriors in every position. But his atrocious lack of fiba war experience ,and enemy battle plans by top 20 countries, is crippling. He therefore cant call timely timeouts for quickly adjusting or resetting offense and defense against changing tactics by more experienced fiba coaches.

Di na pwede one-set play ni guiao na "kung sino libre, siya na tirador", o ni chot na dribble-drive ng bansot tsaka balibag sa douthit/ blatche na import.

Well, 100% of comments here anyway say that local coaching is... never mind. If one rightly feels tab is not a particularly good coach for bigs, i am at a loss for words for local coaches most of whom will never coach a decent fiba war-ready big in their entire lifetimes.

[ccharmed]

Iyong 13 anyos na anak ni rdo, mukhang maging 7footer. Maabutan pa niya prime kai 7 years from now sa senior nt. Kalimutan ninyo na na may pagpipilian ng ilang 6'6 and taller guards na, at ilang 6'9 and taller na good 4s by 2028! Pwede ng ambisyunin na talunin na aussies regularly.

[IPC]

The latest nba height measurements are without shoes anymore. Kai would be at least 7'2 without shoes, as monster boban is a good measuring stick -- at least 7'3.

Some comments here are really ridiculous. Kai is not shooting well because he is way below the ideal muscled weight of 250-260lbs for his frame. Boban and jokic are bigger-boned and would perform best at 270-280lbs. The lightness of 230lb kai means he can be very easily imbalanced or nudged away without fouls before shooting. Boban looks a muscled 300lbs today.

Wait for kai to go over 250lbs -- about 3 years from now -- then post in this site his averages and efficiency metrics. You all know what happened when monster boban got angry, and went Incredible Hulk.

The most laughable accusation is that kai and kouame are disastrous together. Well before the oqt i already posted here that tab never ever had frontline or post domination plays, because new zealand never had dominant frontliners. The new zealanders are rather small. Other asian countries can match their size with ease.

So, the tab-coached 123s are never used to powering up frontline scoring. It also happens that pinoy tiny and midget guards are possibly the most bwakaw in the world, and with "feeling-nba" delusions of grandeur. None wil ever admit they belong at best to uaap, mpbl and pba.

Kitang kita na mas gurang na pang-uaap lang na sj na ayaw pasahan ang nbl/nba destined former teammate na kai. Ayan problema ng mas matanda na hindi matanggap na they are not good enough. Dapat alam mo rin player behavioral dynamics at malaki impact sa laro. Gaya nuong paano naglalaro si sj sa ateneo high school, kung may kaibigan ka sa ateneo na nakita siyang maglaro (22 na yata siya, si kai nag 19 lang ng may 2021).

Tab needs to get a lot more frontline set plays. Sayang if aussie-toughened kai, ncaa toughened edu, and kouame cant group-score at least 40points or more in top 20 fiba nt wars because there are no plays for them. Remember, the lakers consistently won a lot of trophies with well-supported dominant bigs.

Tab's system is good, but not perfect. It is too gentlemanly if i may so so. We have pretty vicious and tough big and bigger guards and frontliners here with more war experience. It is like going ragnarok with frost and fire giants with no odin and thor in the frontline.

Guiao makes better use of warriors in every position. But his atrocious lack of fiba war experience ,and enemy battle plans by top 20 countries, is crippling. He therefore cant call timely timeouts for quickly adjusting or resetting offense and defense against changing tactics by more experienced fiba coaches.

Di na pwede one-set play ni guiao na "kung sino libre, siya na tirador", o ni chot na dribble-drive ng bansot tsaka balibag sa douthit/ blatche na import.

Well, 100% of comments here anyway say that local coaching is... never mind. If one rightly feels tab is not a particularly good coach for bigs, i am at a loss for words for local coaches most of whom will never coach a decent fiba war-ready big in their entire lifetimes.

I totally agree. Like I said in another thread, Tab has to tweak his offense to cater to our bigs. They are the key to our success in the international level, whether Asian or world.

Local coaches should really teach their guards how to make an entry pass to a big, especially if that big has the skill level inside of at least a Baltazar or Tamayo. Otherwise, masasayang na naman ang skillset.

[BJ_Reloaded]

RDO''s only son is getting taller and taller everyday...thanks to the family's gene..a future Batang Gilas indeed..

https://www.spin.ph/life/people/look-ranidel-de-ocampo-shares-photo-of-tall-son-a2442-20210706?ref=article_feed_1

[IPC]

Except from Kai, this is some of our Young Bigs prospects(Homegrown)

1. Adrian Sollano - 16yrs old (6'7) https://youtu.be/hPvfS2Iesyw

2. Kurt Perciano - 16 yrs old (6'8") https://youtu.be/9pU9E8mGd3k

3. Heinz Demisana - 15yrs opd (6'8") https://youtu.be/5URcpJD_j2M

4 Kevin Quiambao - 19yrs old (6'8") https://youtu.be/EDpsQUzRiaY

5. Carl Tamayo - 19 yrs old (6'8")

https://youtu.be/JGmd1fW13wI

6. JV Papa - 16yrs old (6'9") - https://youtu.be/vLYly11A60g

7. Jimly Lantaya - 19 yrs old (6'9") https://youtu.be/fXo95V_N5Tg

8. Geo Chiu - 19 yrs old (6'10") -https://youtu.be/UjdFHtFoTFA

9. Ramon Salvoro - 16yrs old (6'7") -

https://youtu.be/jfnFAvRamYo

PS: Quiambao and Tamayo capable to be a Wing

PSS: AGE AND HEIGHT MAY BE OUTDATED. I BASED IT ON THE VIDEOS.

Hmm. Sollano prefers the forward position. Quiambao is willing to train for the SF position. Tamayo's performed relatively well as a tweener. Demisana and Salvoro both show semblance of a perimeter game, playing more as forwards than as traditional bigs. Hopefully these guys will be the general rule for Filipino big men in that they are able to play at least one forward position, kahit PF man lang 'yan. If you like post-up basketball, you can still feed the PF if he's your best post player (if he's being fed, that is).

Chiu and Lantaya, they have the height to play like a traditional center (whether a rim-runner or low-post player), so OK lang naman.

General rule: Able to play either forward position, even if that forward position is solely PF
Exception: Big is 6'9" above

[Athrunzala]

RDO''s only son is getting taller and taller everyday...thanks to the family's gene..a future Batang Gilas indeed..

https://www.spin.ph/life/people/look...article_feed_1

wait till you know about Yance de Ocampo's son

[IPC]

wait till you know about Yance de Ocampo's son

How old his he? And he's taller than his cousin?

[IPC]

I totally agree. Like I said in another thread, Tab has to tweak his offense to cater to our bigs. They are the key to our success in the international level, whether Asian or world.

Local coaches should really teach their guards how to make an entry pass to a big, especially if that big has the skill level inside of at least a Baltazar or Tamayo. Otherwise, masasayang na naman ang skillset.

Just to add, I think we should involve our bigs more, you know, pass to them in PnR situations, especially when that PnR forces a mismatch in the post.

Again, this is a problem when our offenses are too guard-centric.

[magic_chiongson]

kai has already shown in the fiba juniors he can be a playmaking 5. maybe a in a few years the offense will run through him ala jokic

[ccharmed]

Just to add, I think we should involve our bigs more, you know, pass to them in PnR situations, especially when that PnR forces a mismatch in the post.

Again, this is a problem when our offenses are too guard-centric.

Yes, this is a very serious problem. By fiba nt plays, our guards are sub-standard even by asian elite level. This weakness has been masked because our puny guards perform well only in the asean league. I can only be convinced that they are good if the pinoy point guards --as a group -- outperform the top teams australia, china, south korea, and japan in their respective homeland or other hostile territory. The same group vs group performance analysis applies also to opponents sgs or wings (23s). It is okay to be guard-centric if your guards are as good as or better than top 5 nt teams. Similarly, a wings bias is okay if you can neutralize slovenia's forward corps with doncic in it.

Our advantage actually lies with our bigs, who are factually getting better, and cant really be "outbigged". Who actually believes sjs, rjs and other favorite tiny guards can outperform the nt guards of the usa, spain, argentina or even mere italy and DR?

As usual, the cheap answer of lowly pinoy fans is "subukan natin". Well, it is extremely expensive to repeatedly try pinoy tiny guards who repeatedly get crushed by opposing groups of bigger and more skilled foreign guards. This kind of meaningless testing works only because there is always a foolish pinoy financial donor willing to throw away money. We are talking about a half century of dismal failure of pinoy nt guard corps.

(We cant refer to caloy loyzaga and earlier successes because basketball rules were different then. During loyzaga's jurassic basketball, you can hold on to the ball until the planet dies. So you can lose by an elegant score of say 4-2.)

The solution lies in forcing the obvious corrections in actual teams. For instance, if guiao is forced by the team owners not to use guards smaller than say 6'3, guiao naturally will look for bigger 345s to whip into shape. If this is not possible say, because smc has cornered the best big 345s, guiao will obviously force his undersized forwards and centers to deliver bigger -- perhaps nba-level -- performance than the big guards can. Medyo matigas mga ulo ng pba coaches, at hindi masyadong sineseryoso ng team owners ang very skilled bigs requirement in all positions ng fiba nt wars, kaya naging sub-fiba ang player standards of performance nila.

Some will complain and say, but the DR or puerto rico guards are small. So how did puerto rico and DR fare against bigger teams? But argentina has small guards! Really, how many pinoy guards can beat argentinian or italian nt guards??? THEY CANT EVEN REGULARLY PLAY AGAINST THEM BECAUSE PINOY GUARDS CANT OUTWORK TOP 25 NT GUARDS, AND THUS MISERABLY FAIL DURING EARLY QUALIFICATION ROUNDS. Remember how even tiny 5'9 barea completely destroyed grossly overrated pba guards? And as expected, barea himself was crushed by bigger and more skilled guards too.
(Barea actually laughs when his fake 6footer height is announced during games) .