Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[JAMSKIE]

include young Kerby Raymundo, Rudy Hatfield (before Pingris, he was same style as him), Johnny Abbarientos (veteran PG that also respected internationally) and Duremdes (Still on his prime)... I will replace Helterbrand there (Too much dribbling) and Miller (We don't need too much scorers, as we have Caguioa there) to Abbarientos and Duremdes...

It was already a washed-up Johnny A. during the early & mid-2000's. He didn't even make it to the final-12 man roster of of the RP team in the 2002 Asian Games.

As for Duremdes, he wasn't even part of the national pool of coach Chot Reyes in the mid-2000's. On the other hand, Hontiveros, James Yap, Lordy Tugade & Junthy Valenzuela were part of the pool, though Tugade & Valenzuela hardly played in a no. of international tournaments that RP team participated from 2005 to 2007.

[JAMSKIE]

We honestly could have been consistently competitive as China and Korea in the 00s had we utilised the correct system.

The hugot model has failed us since 1990. It should have been abandoned from the get-go. This is one of the drawbacks of having a fully privatized National Team.

I think the hugot system was good enough for a podium finish for us even during the early & mid-2000's era (had we've not been suspended by FIBA). But with the rise of Middle East teams like Iran, Jordan & Lebanon as contenders in Asian basketball, nahirapan na tayo to excel using the hugot system.

BTW, hugot system worked for us in the 2013 & 2015 Asain Championship as we won silvers in both tournaments, but of course that were with adequate period of training.

[interxavierxxx]

I think the hugot system was good enough for a podium finish for us even during the early & mid-2000's era (had we've not been suspended by FIBA). But with the rise of Middle East teams like Iran, Jordan & Lebanon as contenders in Asian basketball, nahirapan na tayo to excel using the hugot system.

BTW, hugot system worked for us in the 2013 & 2015 Asain Championship as we won silvers in both tournaments, but of course that were with adequate period of training.

And a competent coach.

One thing I always find incredibly stupid with Yeng's coaching is insisting on using his system in the middle of a WC Qualifier campaign. Tab never threw out Chot's DDO when he took over in 2015. He simply augmented and polished it.

In all honesty, there's nothing wrong with firing and hiring new coaches in the short term if they can build upon the foundation set by their predecessor.

[carmelo7]

I think the hugot system was good enough for a podium finish for us even during the early & mid-2000's era (had we've not been suspended by FIBA). But with the rise of Middle East teams like Iran, Jordan & Lebanon as contenders in Asian basketball, nahirapan na tayo to excel using the hugot system.

BTW, hugot system worked for us in the 2013 & 2015 Asain Championship as we won silvers in both tournaments, but of course that were with adequate period of training.

Its okay to use hugot system if the players being used were elite (not feeling elite)😅 on an international level...We've underestimated the development of other asian countries primarily d middle east teams and simply relied on our sense of supremacy because we really do have one of the oldest leagues😅

[mapuakid]

I think some posters here have different view regarding the hugot system.
That 2013 and 2015 NT players are composed of pba players and no players outside the pba except for our NP.
I would accept if we get hugot coming from juniors team or players playing abroad(either fil-am or homegrown)

Are we referring hugots as gilas neophytes then like jason(2013) & romeo and abueva (2015)?

[interxavierxxx]

I think some posters here have different view regarding the hugot system.
That 2013 and 2015 NT players are composed of pba players and no players outside the pba except for our NP.
I would accept if we get hugot coming from juniors team or players playing abroad(either fil-am or homegrown)

Are we referring hugots as gilas neophytes then like jason(2013) & romeo and abueva (2015)?

More like having 2-week preparations before the actual tournament.

[ARMIR]

An article about Seo during his retirement back in 2013, despite being Koreas's GOAT bigman, local fans hate him because of his on court demeanor

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130320000622

In spite of his basketball skills, Seo was never a fan favorite. Many fans criticized Seo for complaining to the referees too much, and Seo’s intimidating game face did not appeal either.

In the latter part of his career after his athletic abilities were severely compromised by injuries and age, people started bashing him for taking too many three-point shots and being a poor defender.

Despite the criticism, Seo’s contribution to Korean basketball is irreplaceable. He was the first Korean big man to truly dominate the league and his legacy remains largely unchallenged.

He is the record holder for the most points and rebounds in KBL history with 13,231 points and 5,235 rebounds.

Seo has that permanent scowl on his face whenever he was facing the Chinese and Japanese big men,with Asi he was physical but,he wasn't going to the point of trying to hurt Asi,he has shown respect to Asi's game.Nowadays,he's the butt of joeks,regarding his divorce,money,his looks and he just smiles and laughs but he reminds me of a smiling shark.See how he was being bullied and annoyedhttps://youtu.be/srpFIOGuzaM

[ramonmagdalo]

Ah ok. Noted bro.

Speaking of Benjie Paras, I think his best game in 1990 Asian Games came during the RP vs UAE game. It was a come from behind win for us & without Benjie's heroics, it would have been a disaster for us at baka hindi tayo nanalo ng silver medal eventually. Hindi ko nakita ang game na yun becoz wala pang cable TV at that time but sinusubaybayin ko kasi mga games ng RP team at that time. By the way, hope Allan Caidic had a video of that game in his collections & he will post that in his youtube channel. Its really nostalgic watching the games of the RP team during the 90's.

saw that game... UAE had a 6'7 big man who battled against our bigs, and you're right, we were playing catch-up all game long until the heroics of Benjie in the dying seconds

[ramonmagdalo]

1. Yao Ming
2. Wang Zhizhi
3. Mengke Bateer
4. Joe Vogel
5. Asi Taulava
6. Seo Jang-hoon

Mengke may have made it to the NBA, but I don't think he was better than Asi...

In 1997 though, Asi was already playing within the Philippine shores... and it is one of my what ifs-- if he played for the centennial team, I always thought that
we could have beaten S Korea and gave china a run for the Gold... I watched the exhibition game in Araneta, August, 1997, and there I saw how Wang toyed with
EJ and our other bigs... Asi had the speed to keep up with Wang and the other asian bigs... we'll never know though

[tomcat]

Mengke may have made it to the NBA, but I don't think he was better than Asi...

In 1997 though, Asi was already playing within the Philippine shores... and it is one of my what ifs-- if he played for the centennial team, I always thought that
we could have beaten S Korea and gave china a run for the Gold... I watched the exhibition game in Araneta, August, 1997, and there I saw how Wang toyed with
EJ and our other bigs... Asi had the speed to keep up with Wang and the other asian bigs... we'll never know though

Mengke Bateer is a legit 6'11 bigman while Asi is more of a 6'8 than his listed height of 6'10 in his PBL days. Asi was even asked to play the 3 position in his ABA stint(2000-2001) maybe because he is not tall or big enough to play the bigman position and not to mention his short wingspan and also maybe he has the skills to play the 3 position in a US basketball minor league..

[neo]

Mengke Bateer is a legit 6'11 bigman while Asi is more of a 6'8 than his listed height of 6'10 in his PBL days. Asi was even asked to play the 3 position in his ABA stint(2000-2001) maybe because he is not tall or big enough to play the bigman position and not to mention his short wingspan and also maybe he has the skills to play the 3 position in a US basketball minor league..

probably 6-7 to 6-8. pennisi was a legit 6'9 without shoes and he towers over him when i saw them side by side.

bateer is probably slower and does not seem to play with much intensity, but he is definitely stronger and more skillful than asi. he dunks without much effort and his mid-range game was money, even in d world-level.

[neo]

Mengke may have made it to the NBA, but I don't think he was better than Asi...

In 1997 though, Asi was already playing within the Philippine shores... and it is one of my what ifs-- if he played for the centennial team, I always thought that
we could have beaten S Korea and gave china a run for the Gold... I watched the exhibition game in Araneta, August, 1997, and there I saw how Wang toyed with
EJ and our other bigs... Asi had the speed to keep up with Wang and the other asian bigs... we'll never know though

it will still be bronze at most, even if we include him and menk then. that team was too offense-oriented and lacked 3-pt shooting.

[hmbopbaduwap]

probably 6-7 to 6-8. pennisi was a legit 6'9 without shoes and he towers over him when i saw them side by side.

bateer is probably slower and does not seem to play with much intensity, but he is definitely stronger and more skillful than asi. he dunks without much effort and his mid-range game was money, even in d world-level.

Farm boy strength,(Mongolian genes) at that time Chinese players rarely hit the weight room

See how he pinned down Shaq with one hand

[lurklurk]

probably 6-7 to 6-8. pennisi was a legit 6'9 without shoes and he towers over him when i saw them side by side.

bateer is probably slower and does not seem to play with much intensity, but he is definitely stronger and more skillful than asi. he dunks without much effort and his mid-range game was money, even in d world-level.

[IPC]

Just play 5 out.

Tamayo played a lot of 5 too.

But he is our most agile 6'8 Big in our young players.

Quiambao Played 4/5 with NU in hs. But now, he is projected to be used as a SF im DLSU

For me, Playing the 5 position should not limit you to only dominating inside.

This scenarion will make our 5s play faceup offensively, but have to defend inside bigs in defense.

Ayun. Hit the nail in the head. I would like to add that our 5's below 6'9" also have to be able to play 4.