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  • We are ok with 5 now.

    Kai and AJ, and possibly Kouame(if localized)

    The Question Now Is the 4 spot. Some posters here want Tall Wing Players to Play 4.(Obviously Not Big Man)

    I am open to that idea. But I cannot see anyone in our pool that can play the "Tall Wing 4" effectively. (Like Carmelo Anthony etc)

    The Best Case Scenario is like a RDO or Taller RDO. Maybe Baltazar is in that track.

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    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
      Ah ok. I very much agree with you on this. If how Asi Taulava played in the 2002 Asian Games is the gauge, then I believe Asi should have performed well for team Pilipinas if only an all-pro team played in the 2003 ABC Men's Championship & we were not suspended in the 2005 ABC Championship.

      I'm confident an all-pro team led by Taulava, Danny Seigle, Caguioa, Hontiveros, Alapag, Miller, Helterbrand, Renren Ritualo, would have finished a with a silver medal in 2005. I believe we were better than Lebanon (eventual silver medalist) by that time. South Korea was fragile at that time as their team was made up mostly of aging & washed up players. Iran & Jordan were not yet that strong in the mid-2000's.
      Philippines 2- Lebanon 0

      Philippines-Lebanon Goodwill Games 2006

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      • Originally posted by tomcat View Post
        Philippines 2- Lebanon 0

        Philippines-Lebanon Goodwill Games 2006
        Still those were just exhibition games. I'll put more weight on RP team's 2 victories over Lebanon in the 2007 Manila Invitational Cup. Di pa tayo kumpleto noon as Danny Seigle didn't play in the tournament becoz of injury. I rembember Lebanon then had a prime Fadi El Khatib who was unstoppable, then they also have a 6-foot-9 versatile "four" in Brian Feghali & a 6-11 stretch center in Joe Vogel who was deadly from the 3-pt. arc. Malalaki mga players ng Lebanon at that time but I think lamang tayo sa bilis & lalim ng line-up. While Lebanon had a solid starting-5, yung bench nila eh mababaw. RP team on the other hand could rotate all 12 players & anyone can really start
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
          2002 Asi Taulava was the best big man in Asia not named Yao Ming.
          1. Yao Ming
          2. Wang Zhizhi
          3. Mengke Bateer
          4. Joe Vogel
          5. Asi Taulava
          6. Seo Jang-hoon

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          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
            We are ok with 5 now.

            Kai and AJ, and possibly Kouame(if localized)

            The Question Now Is the 4 spot. Some posters here want Tall Wing Players to Play 4.(Obviously Not Big Man)

            I am open to that idea. But I cannot see anyone in our pool that can play the "Tall Wing 4" effectively. (Like Carmelo Anthony etc)

            The Best Case Scenario is like a RDO or Taller RDO. Maybe Baltazar is in that track.
            Kouame, Kai and Aj alternating at the 4 and 5 position. While Baltazar to play mainly for the 4 position. Four to five years from now, that tall wing players to play in the 4 position could be Caelum Harris and Jayden Harper..

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              I bet you have read that in Quinito Henson's column "Sporting Chance" where he quoted Sen. Freddie Webb saying that.
              No, this was after the 1990 Asian Games. A sports personality commented we need 2 Benjie Paras to be an Asian champion.

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              • Originally posted by alfrancis View Post
                No, this was after the 1990 Asian Games. A sports personality commented we need 2 Benjie Paras to be an Asian champion.
                Ah ok. Noted bro.

                Speaking of Benjie Paras, I think his best game in 1990 Asian Games came during the RP vs UAE game. It was a come from behind win for us & without Benjie's heroics, it would have been a disaster for us at baka hindi tayo nanalo ng silver medal eventually. Hindi ko nakita ang game na yun becoz wala pang cable TV at that time but sinusubaybayin ko kasi mga games ng RP team at that time. By the way, hope Allan Caidic had a video of that game in his collections & he will post that in his youtube channel. Its really nostalgic watching the games of the RP team during the 90's.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/3501...6681897739030/

                  Coac tab: I am expecting Carl to walk in 6'5- 6'6". But He is clearly 6'8"

                  IF Carl is really 6'8",he will be a force to reckon with. Especially at the 4 position. Maybe sonetimes 3. But he is more of a 4.
                  Hopefully we can get another homegrown 6'8" PF. OK lang if he doesn't play similar to Tamayo or a modern big, as long as he can play 4. However, since most 6'6"-6'8" players are the tallest, they have to play the 5-spot.

                  How will we develop 6'6"-6'8" bigs to be strong enough to guard 5, but also with the ability to play the 4?

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                    Hopefully we can get another homegrown 6'8" PF. OK lang if he doesn't play similar to Tamayo or a modern big, as long as he can play 4. However, since most 6'6"-6'8" players are the tallest, they have to play the 5-spot.

                    How will we develop 6'6"-6'8" bigs to be strong enough to guard 5, but also with the ability to play the 4?
                    Yeah most of our 6'6 to 6'8 guys can't really guard international Cs and PFs and aren't versatile enough to play F. They really have to make the transition earlier in their career. Guys like Almazan, Erram etc have been playing Cs their entire careers..

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                    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                      Hopefully we can get another homegrown 6'8" PF. OK lang if he doesn't play similar to Tamayo or a modern big, as long as he can play 4. However, since most 6'6"-6'8" players are the tallest, they have to play the 5-spot.

                      How will we develop 6'6"-6'8" bigs to be strong enough to guard 5, but also with the ability to play the 4?
                      Just play 5 out.

                      Tamayo played a lot of 5 too.

                      But he is our most agile 6'8 Big in our young players.

                      Quiambao Played 4/5 with NU in hs. But now, he is projected to be used as a SF im DLSU

                      For me, Playing the 5 position should not limit you to only dominating inside.

                      This scenarion will make our 5s play faceup offensively, but have to defend inside bigs in defense.

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        Korea'Seo Jang Hoon can contest Asi for that distinction. Also, I believe Wang Zhizhi was still very much at his prime during the early 2000's & could very much challenge Asi. In fact Wang dominated everybody during the 2006 Asian Games.

                        Seo the muscle of that Korean team,who would taught that he will turned out to be a giant MC,comedian in a variety show,I didn't even know that man could smile.

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                        • Originally posted by robert0326
                          include young Kerby Raymundo, Rudy Hatfield (before Pingris, he was same style as him), Johnny Abbarientos (veteran PG that also respected internationally) and Duremdes (Still on his prime)... I will replace Helterbrand there (Too much dribbling) and Miller (We don't need too much scorers, as we have Caguioa there) to Abbarientos and Duremdes...
                          We honestly could have been consistently competitive as China and Korea in the 00s had we utilised the correct system.

                          The hugot model has failed us since 1990. It should have been abandoned from the get-go. This is one of the drawbacks of having a fully privatized National Team.
                          GILAS WISHLIST:
                          6'8 Pingris

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                          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                            Just play 5 out.

                            Tamayo played a lot of 5 too.

                            But he is our most agile 6'8 Big in our young players.

                            Quiambao Played 4/5 with NU in hs. But now, he is projected to be used as a SF im DLSU

                            For me, Playing the 5 position should not limit you to only dominating inside.

                            This scenarion will make our 5s play faceup offensively, but have to defend inside bigs in defense.
                            has lebron lopez stopped growing? i think he still has 1 more year left before his growth spurt officially ends. He may grow several inches in several months, who knows? he may be the mythical tall, agile wing player we've been waiting for.

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                            • Originally posted by barok espinoza View Post
                              has lebron lopez stopped growing? i think he still has 1 more year left before his growth spurt officially ends. He may grow several inches in several months, who knows? he may be the mythical tall, agile wing player we've been waiting for.
                              If it happens, I hope it will not affect his mobility and quickness.

                              Usually, taller players have lesser mobility and quickness.

                              Lebron is something like 6'6-6'7 right now. Maybe the best he can grew up is 6'8

                              So Carl and Lebron at 6'8 Can be our Potential Combo Forwards. (I hope to improve more their outside shooting though)

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                              • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                                Seo the muscle of that Korean team,who would taught that he will turned out to be a giant MC,comedian in a variety show,I didn't even know that man could smile.
                                An article about Seo during his retirement back in 2013, despite being Koreas's GOAT bigman, local fans hate him because of his on court demeanor

                                http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130320000622

                                In spite of his basketball skills, Seo was never a fan favorite. Many fans criticized Seo for complaining to the referees too much, and Seo’s intimidating game face did not appeal either.

                                In the latter part of his career after his athletic abilities were severely compromised by injuries and age, people started bashing him for taking too many three-point shots and being a poor defender.

                                Despite the criticism, Seo’s contribution to Korean basketball is irreplaceable. He was the first Korean big man to truly dominate the league and his legacy remains largely unchallenged.

                                He is the record holder for the most points and rebounds in KBL history with 13,231 points and 5,235 rebounds.

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