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  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    I think Quincy is around 6-foot-8 while Junmar is a legit 6-10.

    I've never expected Junmar naman to match a Hadadi or a Zhou Qi, but I expected Junmar to hold his own or even get the better of the lesser caliber Asian big men like Mohamed Hussein of Jordan, Mohammed Yousuf of Qatar, or Iran's Aaron Geramipoor

    After all, Junmar is a many time MVP awardee in the PBA.

    On the other hand, Abueva & Romeo never came close to winning any PBA MVP award, yet they both have impressive performances with the National team.
    June Mar is not used on playing against player taller and stronger than him. This should be his plan, play in CESAFI then after becoming the best bigman, next move is PBA then after becoming the best bigman in PBA, next move should be Chinese Basketball Association(there are rumors that many CBA teams are interested in Junemar) or play in NBA Summer League. But we all know that there is no such thing as real off season in PBA and his ballclub would prohibit him to play in NBA summer league..

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    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
      BTW, looking at Phi basketball in the last 30 years, who do you think among our National team big men who played up to par to was/were able to hold their own against the other bigs in Asian basketball?

      For me, a standout is Alvin Patrimonio despite being an undersized big man at only 6-foot-3. Although Alvin was a power forward, in old school basketball a power forward or a four was considered as a big man. Alvin was able to hold his own or even outplayed defenders who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. A four-time Asian gamer (played in 1986, 1990, 1994 & 1998 editions of Asian Games), Patrimonio was at his best during the 1994 Hiroshima Asian Games, though his costly miss free throw in the battle for 3rd place vs. Japan cost us the bronze medal.

      I think Benjie Paras is another undersized Pinoy big man who could have performed well in international basketball but Benjie only had limited stints with the National team. I think Benjie would have been good for the 1994 & even the 1998 Asian Games.
      2003 and 2005 ABC Championships(Asi Taulava)..

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        BTW, looking at Phi basketball in the last 30 years, who do you think among our National team big men who played up to par to was/were able to hold their own against the other bigs in Asian basketball?

        For me, a standout is Alvin Patrimonio despite being an undersized big man at only 6-foot-3. Although Alvin was a power forward, in old school basketball a power forward or a four was considered as a big man. Alvin was able to hold his own or even outplayed defenders who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. A four-time Asian gamer (played in 1986, 1990, 1994 & 1998 editions of Asian Games), Patrimonio was at his best during the 1994 Hiroshima Asian Games, though his costly miss free throw in the battle for 3rd place vs. Japan cost us the bronze medal.

        I think Benjie Paras is another undersized Pinoy big man who could have performed well in international basketball but Benjie only had limited stints with the National team. I think Benjie would have been good for the 1994 & even the 1998 Asian Games.
        I am too young. But based on articles,reserach, and history. I think these are the Names:

        NOT IN ORDER

        1. Caloy Loyzaga - No Question

        2. Don Ramon Fernandez

        3. Alvin Patrimonio

        4. Benjie Paras

        5. Asi Taulava

        6. Pingris (to an extent)

        7. Soon, Kai and AJ will be here.

        They have different playstyles. But one thing common they share is they have the Mobility even if they are Playing as a Big

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        • Originally posted by tomcat View Post
          2003 and 2005 ABC Championships(Asi Taulava)..
          I can't recall Asi Taulava playing in those tournaments. 2003 ABC Men's Championship, we sent an all-amateur team with RDO & Garry David, if I'm mistaken. Then in the 2005 ABC, suspended tayo at that time.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
            I am too young. But based on articles,reserach, and history. I think these are the Names:

            NOT IN ORDER

            1. Caloy Loyzaga - No Question

            2. Don Ramon Fernandez

            3. Alvin Patrimonio

            4. Benjie Paras

            5. Asi Taulava

            6. Pingris (to an extent)

            7. Soon, Kai and AJ will be here.

            They have different playstyles. But one thing common they share is they have the Mobility even if they are Playing as a Big
            I'll include RDO in the list.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              BTW, looking at Phi basketball in the last 30 years, who do you think among our National team big men who played up to par or was/were able to hold their own against the other bigs in Asian basketball?

              For me, a standout is Alvin Patrimonio despite being an undersized big man at only 6-foot-3. Although Alvin was a power forward, in old school basketball a power forward or a four was considered as a big man. Alvin was able to hold his own or even outplayed defenders who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. A four-time Asian gamer (played in 1986, 1990, 1994 & 1998 editions of Asian Games), Patrimonio was at his best during the 1994 Hiroshima Asian Games, though his costly miss free throw in the battle for 3rd place vs. Japan cost us the bronze medal.

              I think Benjie Paras is another undersized Pinoy big man who could have performed well in international basketball but Benjie only had limited stints with the National team. I think Benjie would have been good for the 1994 & even the 1998 Asian Games.
              After watching again the 94 Asian Games against Korea on Allan Caidic's youtube channel, Benjie would have been a good match up against Seo, Benjie's face up game and atlethicsm would have posed some problems on Seo laterally
              Last edited by hmbopbaduwap; 04-16-2021, 09:44 AM.

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                BTW, looking at Phi basketball in the last 30 years, who do you think among our National team big men who played up to par or was/were able to hold their own against the other bigs in Asian basketball?

                For me, a standout is Alvin Patrimonio despite being an undersized big man at only 6-foot-3. Although Alvin was a power forward, in old school basketball a power forward or a four was considered as a big man. Alvin was able to hold his own or even outplayed defenders who were 3 to 4 inches taller than him. A four-time Asian gamer (played in 1986, 1990, 1994 & 1998 editions of Asian Games), Patrimonio was at his best during the 1994 Hiroshima Asian Games, though his costly miss free throw in the battle for 3rd place vs. Japan cost us the bronze medal.

                I think Benjie Paras is another undersized Pinoy big man who could have performed well in international basketball but Benjie only had limited stints with the National team. I think Benjie would have been good for the 1994 & even the 1998 Asian Games.
                Asi was a monster and at his best in 2002 Asian Games

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                • Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
                  After watching again the 94 Asian Games against Korea on Allan Caidic's youtube channel, Benjie would have been a good match up against Seo, Benjie's face up game and atlethicsm would have posed some problems on Seo laterally
                  I remember somebody said that we need another Benjie Paras to be an Asian champion.

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                  • Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
                    After watching again the 94 Asian Games against Korea on Allan Caidic's youtube channel, Benjie would have been a good match up against Seo, Benjie's face up game and atlethicsm would have posed some problems on Seo laterally
                    I remember Sen. Freddie Webb comenting after the RP-Korea game that having Benjie Paras in that RP team would have made some difference. Those Korean bigs were quick & athletic. Benjie could have posed a good challenge against them. I think Codinera was just too slow for those Korean bigs & his offense wasn't good enough in that level. Marlou Aquino on the other hand was just young & raw at that time.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Originally posted by alfrancis View Post
                      I remember somebody said that we need another Benjie Paras to be an Asian champion.
                      I bet you have read that in Quinito Henson's column "Sporting Chance" where he quoted Sen. Freddie Webb saying that.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • Yup, specially in that game vs. Japan which was his best game in the tournament. I think Asi in 2007 & 2009 Asian Championships was a bit old already
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          I can't recall Asi Taulava playing in those tournaments. 2003 ABC Men's Championship, we sent an all-amateur team with RDO & Garry David, if I'm mistaken. Then in the 2005 ABC, suspended tayo at that time.
                          What I'm trying to say is Asi would be a monster if the PBA had send an all-pro team in the 2003 ABC Men's Championships and in 2005 if we had not been suspended by FIBA..

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                          • Originally posted by tomcat View Post
                            What I'm trying to say is Asi would be a monster if the PBA had send an all-pro team in the 2003 ABC Men's Championships and in 2005 if we had not been suspended by FIBA..
                            Ah ok. I very much agree with you on this. If how Asi Taulava played in the 2002 Asian Games is the gauge, then I believe Asi should have performed well for team Pilipinas if only an all-pro team played in the 2003 ABC Men's Championship & we were not suspended in the 2005 ABC Championship.

                            I'm confident an all-pro team led by Taulava, Danny Seigle, Caguioa, Hontiveros, Alapag, Miller, Helterbrand, Renren Ritualo, would have finished a with a silver medal in 2005. I believe we were better than Lebanon (eventual silver medalist) by that time. South Korea was fragile at that time as their team was made up mostly of aging & washed up players. Iran & Jordan were not yet that strong in the mid-2000's.
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • 2002 Asi Taulava was the best big man in Asia not named Yao Ming.
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                              • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                                2002 Asi Taulava was the best big man in Asia not named Yao Ming.
                                Korea'Seo Jang Hoon can contest Asi for that distinction. Also, I believe Wang Zhizhi was still very much at his prime during the early 2000's & could very much challenge Asi. In fact Wang dominated everybody during the 2006 Asian Games.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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