Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[Chef30]

Wiseman’s always been a bit more of a traditional big man. Next year’s Mobley though is a more modern much more skilled big though the questions are about his frame\strength

I agree. He's more of a traditional big BUT with a 3 ball.

Although he looks raw, he has better averages than Anthony Davis in his rookie year.

In my opinion, at 19 he is way ahead of Kai in terms of athleticism, skills & motor yet he is struggling in the defensive rotations that's why he gets limited minutes.

[Chef30]

see for yourselves:

https://youtu.be/KFvD5cOFuMg

[lurklurk]

I agree. He's more of a traditional big BUT with a 3 ball.

Although he looks raw, he has better averages than Anthony Davis in his rookie year.

In my opinion, at 19 he is way ahead of Kai in terms of athleticism, skills & motor yet he is struggling in the defensive rotations that's why he gets limited minutes.

Hmmm, AD’s raw per game numbers are better. Are you comparing their per-36? That’s tilted to wiseman’s favor since gsw plays in a much higher pace. Check their per-100, AD’s stats are clearly ahead of wiseman’s aside from points (which is close).

[Chef30]

Hmmm, AD’s raw per game numbers are better. Are you comparing their per-36? That’s tilted to wiseman’s favor since gsw plays in a much higher pace. Check their per-100, AD’s stats are clearly ahead of wiseman’s aside from points (which is close).

I'm comparing their rookie year stats. But you're right it favors Wiseman because of the Warriors' play style.

[IPC]

Balti as 5 might be like an Adebayo with less hops but with a jumpshot. Can't wait to see his improvements in an actual game.

Hopefully, we see more 6'6"-6'8" bigs with Baltazar's and Bam's skillset. Good handlers, good passers, switchy defenders.

[fadzki]

Wiseman at 19 way ahead of Kai in terms of athleticism, skills.. Wiseman will turn 20 in less than a couple of weeks. Kai will turn 19 in less than 2 months. The last time we saw kai play real games was when he was still 17yo and his max vert etc were measured like over a year ago already. Read kai recorded 31 then, wiseman has 34. How is that way ahead? How about skills? I see wiseman has the better dribbling skills than kai as of now. Outside shooting, when did wiseman started shooting 3s? From what ive read, he only had one attempt in college and it was a miss even. Can we say he's the better passer than kai even at this point? I don't think so. Does he have as much moves in the paint as kai? Does he have pull up shots as smooth as that of kai? From the highlights, i only saw set shots.

speaking of Kai playing a full game, any idea when will we see him again in action and not just practice sessions, NBA Draft is getting closer day by day...

[thatweirdguy]

Wiseman at 19 way ahead of Kai in terms of athleticism, skills.. Wiseman will turn 20 in less than a couple of weeks. Kai will turn 19 in less than 2 months. The last time we saw kai play real games was when he was still 17yo and his max vert etc were measured like over a year ago already. Read kai recorded 31 then, wiseman has 34. How is that way ahead? How about skills? I see wiseman has the better dribbling skills than kai as of now. Outside shooting, when did wiseman started shooting 3s? From what ive read, he only had one attempt in college and it was a miss even. Can we say he's the better passer than kai even at this point? I don't think so. Does he have as much moves in the paint as kai? Does he have pull up shots as smooth as that of kai? From the highlights, i only saw set shots.

I can't really say since he's playing in the NBA but he looks bad. He's youngish and looks really raw. Hopefully Kai get's tested and post impressive numbers too. My concern is that Kai hasn't had a real competitive game in a long time. His bound to be rusty

[Chef30]

Wiseman at 19 way ahead of Kai in terms of athleticism, skills.. Wiseman will turn 20 in less than a couple of weeks. Kai will turn 19 in less than 2 months. The last time we saw kai play real games was when he was still 17yo and his max vert etc were measured like over a year ago already. Read kai recorded 31 then, wiseman has 34. How is that way ahead? How about skills? I see wiseman has the better dribbling skills than kai as of now. Outside shooting, when did wiseman started shooting 3s? From what ive read, he only had one attempt in college and it was a miss even. Can we say he's the better passer than kai even at this point? I don't think so. Does he have as much moves in the paint as kai? Does he have pull up shots as smooth as that of kai? From the highlights, i only saw set shots.

I'll give the passing skills to Kai. About the post moves, sa bilis ba naman ng defensive rotation ngayon does he really need to have a lot of post moves? A few but effective go-to & counters will suffice. He may not have a smooth pull ups but his set shots are quick and effective. In 29 games, he shot 11/30 (36.7%) from the 3 pt area. Another advantage he has is that he RIM RUNS like a gazelle and seals pretty well.

His stats in 29 games with limited touches: 11.8pts 6 rebs 0.6 ast 1.0 blks 0.3 stls 52.6% fg 36.7 3p% 61.3% ft in 20.8 min

Looks bad and raw pa yan. Paano na lang kung mag improve pa. Automatic double-double na kaya?

Again IN MY OPINION, NBA stats vs Gleague practice stats, ang layo.

[PaulLee3]

Well, despite the bilis ng defensive rotation sa nba ngayon, a lot of post moves has been working for the likes of jokic. i agree, sometimes a few tricks, a so so shooting form can work if you are very efficient with it BUT, the claim is clear, wiseman daw is WAY AHEAD in terms of skills and athleticism. Ok nmn kng sa motors lng, and, say, power, defensive activity etc. But to say way ahead in terms of athleticism and skills, that's false.

Add to that, the eye tests are between an almost 20 wiseman and a 17yo kai sotto.

Kai is going to turn 19 this coming May.

[Chef30]

Well, despite the bilis ng defensive rotation sa nba ngayon, a lot of post moves has been working for the likes of jokic. i agree, sometimes a few tricks, a so so shooting form can work if you are very efficient with it BUT, the claim is clear, wiseman daw is WAY AHEAD in terms of skills and athleticism. Ok nmn kng sa motors lng, and, say, power, defensive activity etc. But to say way ahead in terms of athleticism and skills, that's false.

Add to that, the eye tests are between an almost 20 wiseman and a 17yo kai sotto.

Okay let's agree to disagree Sir Astigram

[tootch]

Just watched mikee reyes interview with gilas asst coach sandy a. i like their vision on how they trained local bigs.

[IPC]

For me, Baltazar is more like a classic 4 the way he played against Thailand. His skillset is similar with Poy Erram.

Baltazar somewhat reminds me of a Danny Ildefonso (but with inferior low post moves than Danny I). Danny I is your traditional power forward with pretty decent post up moves & just like Baltazar, he also had a good medium range jumper.

But if coach Tab can convert Baltazar into more of an RDO type of a "four", then that would be a significant accomplishment.

A 6'8" player who can play PF, even if a classic PF, is already good, actually. How many 6'8", or even 6'7" and above players, can play PF in the PBA and the collegiate level (which I think really should be the general rule for bigs under 6'9")?

But still, like JAMSKIE said, it would be great if Baltazar were to be developed into an RDO kind of big. Good low-post moves and can play some on the perimeter. If that happens, I hope Baltazar will become the gold standard for bigs in Philippine basketball. Tall, and can play both big positions, plus versatile. If he (with an RDO skillset) is the gold standard for local Filipino bigmen, that might bring attention to his skillset, which local coaches might want to look at and develop for their own 6'6"-6'8" bigs.

[JAMSKIE]

Among the current fours in the PBA today, its Jason Perkins who has the closest to having the skill-set of an RDO. Too bad Perkins isn't FIBA eligible & he's undersize as a 4.

[mathematicianrcg]

A 6'8" player who can play PF, even if a classic PF, is already good, actually. How many 6'8", or even 6'7" and above players, can play PF in the PBA and the collegiate level (which I think really should be the general rule for bigs under 6'9")?

But still, like JAMSKIE said, it would be great if Baltazar were to be developed into an RDO kind of big. Good low-post moves and can play some on the perimeter. If that happens, I hope Baltazar will become the gold standard for bigs in Philippine basketball. Tall, and can play both big positions, plus versatile. If he (with an RDO skillset) is the gold standard for local Filipino bigmen, that might bring attention to his skillset, which local coaches might want to look at and develop for their own 6'6"-6'8" bigs.

Let me Count.

Pba.(6'7 above who can play 4 effective)

1. Japeth

2. Standhardinger

3. Tautuaa

4.Sanggalang(?)

5. Troy Rosario

6.Troy Rike

7.Norbert Torres

I think thats it. In Pba. I am not even sure with Ian and Norbert.

Most Pba PFs are in 6'4-6:6 range. But most of them are traditional PF. Thet should be a wing PF if thir height is in that range

[lurklurk]

Just watched mikee reyes interview with gilas asst coach sandy a. i like their vision on how they trained local bigs.

Agree. I like that they’re trying to provide individual developments to each player given their limited resources due to covid. Makes me curious about Geo Chiu, both on his current play and his possible development during this training bubble.