Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[CoJ]

If kobe is still serious in basketball then he should leave UP, go back to US and try his luck even at the g-league.. ray parks work hard to be atleast a rotation player in texas legends and now on of finest scorers in the PBA today.. kobe can do it this also.. too much celebrity status not helping his status as basketball player ..

who would finance his US stint? unlike Kai, kobe does not have that many benefactors now, (only sponsorhips, lol)

[IPC]

So who says we will be fine with a "4-out" set-up with 6-foot-7 mobile "fours" with wingmen skillset & 6-foot-9/6-foot-8 mobile centers? Wag po tayong mag ilusyon having 6-foot-7 "fours" in the same mold as Draymond Green or Melo Anthony & 6-foot-9 centers in the mold of a Dwight Howard or Luis Scola. We won't have that kind of players any soon. Not becoz NBA & European teams have made wonders with this "4-out" set-up, we can also do the same with our Gilas national team. Wala po tayong materyales as of now with that kind of set-up. Do we expect that a frontline of Kobe Paras & Carl Tamayo playing the "four" and Carino & Baltazar at center would get the job done against teams like China & Jordan which have 7-foot centers? I say good luck with that.

I say a skilled 7-foot center in the mold of a Wang Zhizhi, Yao Ming, Hamed Hadadi, Zhou Qi & Ahmad Al Dwairi (of Jordan) is still the deciding factor in Asian basketball.

Granted, it may not work in the senior level, fine. But using it as a tool for development should be considered. I think this should be used for developing youngsters so that they'll have less trouble moving to perimeter-oriented positions, and so that we can develop small-ball fours, which is how all our bigs under 6'10" should ideally develop. They'd be ideal complements to any 7-footer we might have on the roster. The concepts orf a mobile 6'7" PF and a skilled 7-foot center are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Speaking of 7-footers, hopefully Kai can become our version of a skilled 7-footer in Asia.

[thatweirdguy]

I even find it too much of an expectation to expect Kobe to make a CJ Perez like impact in the PBA. I'll be very satisfied seeing Kobe making a Japeth Aguilar type of an impact in the PBA.

It seems everyone always has a an alibi why he underperforms. Some still view him as a once a generation talent who's always misused or weren't given the opportunity to shine. To me his ceiling right now is a high level role player. I don't see him ever reaching Parks or even CJ's level.

[thatweirdguy]

This is a big man thread why we talking about Kobe?

Because he's a 4 now.

[JAMSKIE]

It seems everyone always has a an alibi why he underperforms. Some still view him as a once a generation talent who's always misused or weren't given the opportunity to shine. To me his ceiling right now is a high level role player. I don't see him ever reaching Parks or even CJ's level.

Some even still believe Kobe can be reliable small forward despite his shaky handles, suspect outside shooting & not so good laterals to play as a wing.

Perhaps there's still hope that he will dramatically improve in those aspects moving forward. Problem is, parang wala tayong nakitang improvement kay Kobe in tge last 2 years eh. Its like almost everybody has improved except Kobe. We can see the significant improvements of players like Thirdy, Baltazar, Kai Sotto, Javi Gomez-De Lian, Oftana, in the last 2 years or so but with Kobe parang wale eh.

[Marlon]

Some even still believe Kobe can be reliable small forward despite his shaky handles, suspect outside shooting & not so good laterals to play as a wing.

Perhaps there's still hope that he will dramatically improve in those aspects moving forward. Problem is, parang wala tayong nakitang improvement kay Kobe in tge last 2 years eh. Its like almost everybody has improved except Kobe. We can see the significant improvements of players like Thirdy, Baltazar, Kai Sotto, Javi Gomez-De Lian, Oftana, in the last 2 years or so but with Kobe parang wale eh.

Because there is no competitive tournament for him since he arrived from US or for a long time, UAAP is to much for his level, reason why nothing that add on him,

[JAMSKIE]

Because there is no competitive tournament for him since he arrived from US or for a long time, UAAP is to much for his level, reason why nothing that add on him,

Yet we ask ourselves, how come Thirdy, Baltazar, Oftana, Javi GDL have improved significantly despite playing just in less competitive collegiate leagues in the Philippines? I don't think that is the main reason sir.

[IPC]

Yet we ask ourselves, how come Thirdy, Baltazar, Oftana, Javi GDL have improved significantly despite playing just in less competitive collegiate leagues in the Philippines? I don't think that is the main reason sir.

It's their work ethic and approach to the game.

[thatweirdguy]

Yet we ask ourselves, how come Thirdy, Baltazar, Oftana, Javi GDL have improved significantly despite playing just in less competitive collegiate leagues in the Philippines? I don't think that is the main reason sir.

I don't really know how players less privileged than him perfomed better last window. He's the one with all the training ,exposure and physical gifts yet he looked significantly worse inside the court. Like he didn't belong their. Maybe Kobe begging off this window is a sign that he isn't really fit for our NT.

[mathematicianrcg]

Its a bit funny that some 4 years ago, most Pinoy fans felt that Kobe Paras had around 50% chance of making it to the NBA.

Right now, I think most of us here thinks Kobe doesn't even have a 1% chance of making it to the NBA.

I mean he is too old now. So no potential for nba scouts.

Also, his performance sucks now in terms of nba level.

He lost his guard skills when he was 16. Now, he is a classic small 6'6 PF.

[dubidub]

Yet we ask ourselves, how come Thirdy, Baltazar, Oftana, Javi GDL have improved significantly despite playing just in less competitive collegiate leagues in the Philippines? I don't think that is the main reason sir.

You make a very good point. It seems like he plateaued. Sad. Hope its not too late for him.

[IPC]

I mean he is too old now. So no potential for nba scouts.

Also, his performance sucks now in terms of nba level.

He lost his guard skills when he was 16. Now, he is a classic small 6'6 PF.

Now what kind of small PF? A classic big, or a small-ball 4? I said before, he's a tweener forward now, and not the good kind. He has to reinvent himself ASAP if he wants another shot at Gilas. Athleticism na lang siya, e.

[ARMIR]

You make a very good point. It seems like he plateaued. Sad. Hope its not too late for him.

The man doesn't want to play as a 4,he feels he's a natural 3,since he's getting criticize from all sides,then the only solution is let him go,leave him on his own where he can be comfortable enough to play his game.Let's just stop talking about him since he's not even in the team,he can do whatever he wants,he can't be forced to join then so be it,the more he gets criticize,it looks like the more he's staying away from competitive basketball and that showbiz career is showing up its ugly head next to him.

[mathematicianrcg]

Now what kind of small PF? A classic big, or a small-ball 4? I said before, he's a tweener forward now, and not the good kind. He has to reinvent himself ASAP if he wants another shot at Gilas. Athleticism na lang siya, e.

Idk.

Honestly, I will even try and test Carl Tamayo or Kevin Quiambao. They have potential to surpass kobe in that small ball 4 you are wishing.

As for kobe, i think it is not the talent problem, it is the mental problem. Pretty much like Japeth.

Japeth and Kobe are our Most Gifted Homegrown Players athletically, but their mind is the problem. Japeth developed very late, maybe around 28. Maybe Kobe will mature in that age too.

Still, I am hoping for the best for Kobe. During his younger days, A lot of people including me thought he can be better than his father. But it is not the case so far

[ARMIR]

Idk.

Honestly, I will even try and test Carl Tamayo or Kevin Quiambao. They have potential to surpass kobe in that small ball 4 you are wishing.

As for kobe, i think it is not the talent problem, it is the mental problem. Pretty much like Japeth.

Japeth and Kobe are our Most Gifted Homegrown Players athletically, but their mind is the problem. Japeth developed very late, maybe around 28. Maybe Kobe will mature in that age too.

Still, I am hoping for the best for Kobe. During his younger days, A lot of people including me thought he can be better than his father. But it is not the case so far

Both of them can't deal with big time,lowdown criticism,they seem to internalize it,with its much worse since,he have those showbiz friends who keeps wishpering in his ear that,he's too good for basketball and just do the showbiz full time,if Gilas or basketball fans don't like him at all.