Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[zairex]

Buti nalang he will play his last year in AU.. Our coaches there is not good, Baka gawin syang traditional center dun.. Hope coach Tab take him after his final stint at AU..

Im confuse. How those top teams in college play the tallest person in their team that are not modern? Some are even saying Draymond Green is small ball. He don't have great handles and outside shooting. The reason he is the center of GSW because he can switch on all position on defense. And great PnR player and cuts effectively

[IPC]

Im confuse. How those top teams in college play the tallest person in their team that are not modern? Some are even saying Draymond Green is small ball. He don't have great handles and outside shooting. The reason he is the center of GSW because he can switch on all position on defense. And great PnR player and cuts effectively

Draymond's also a good passer, even led GSW in assists at some point. He's one of their main facilitators.

Here's another thing, how many of our 6'8"-6'5" bigs can reasonably switch out and defend the perimeter, apart from Pingris? As you said, that's one of Draymond's calling cards, defensive versatility. Right now, that's a rare skill for our bigs.

[zairex]

Draymond's also a good passer, even led GSW in assists at some point. He's one of their main facilitators.

Here's another thing, how many of our 6'8"-6'5" bigs can reasonably switch out and defend the perimeter, apart from Pingris? As you said, that's one of Draymond's calling cards, defensive versatility. Right now, that's a rare skill for our bigs.

Yes Draymond is a great passer. It also helps the system is focus on movement unlike small ball Houston and he is limited in offensive range, so he needs pass more.

To be Like Draymond Green, you need to be athletic, motor and strength. It is easy to have that in America even in African nation. But for us, Asian and European or Caucasian that is rare. I don't know if you can develop those traits to the level of Green if you are not born with it.

[Alex07]

How about Letran's Ambohot? Can he be converted as well?

I think Ambohot he more natural skills to be a small forward than Baltazar, although I'm not saying that Ambohot was the better player, I think Ambohot is more capable of playing the wing.I disagree with Tab this time, I don't see Baltazar playing as a wing although he's already a very good post player.Both of them should be trained though to improve quickness and athleticism,that's Ambohot's weakness, he Might be long and agile but he's an average leaper.If they could both add a foot on their vertical jump, that would be awesome. They might be Averaging at least 4-5 dunks a game getting more rebounds and blocking more shots.

[IPC]

Yes Draymond is a great passer. It also helps the system is focus on movement unlike small ball Houston and he is limited in offensive range, so he needs pass more.

To be Like Draymond Green, you need to be athletic, motor and strength. It is easy to have that in America even in African nation. But for us, Asian and European or Caucasian that is rare. I don't know if you can develop those traits to the level of Green if you are not born with it.

Strength won't be much of the problem. It's developing it without sacrificing athleticism and motor that's the concern. Like you said, it's tough to train athleticism and motor. Athleticism, yes, we can develop to an extent, hopefully to a level where bigger guys can switch out. Motor, you have it or you don't is the case most of the time.

[Apollo Deleon Arguilla]

Another good candidate for wing aside from Jeo Ambohot is 6’7” Dave Ando(20yrsOld) of UST; And there are also a couple of young guys(both 19yrsOld) who stands at 6’8” , Kevin Quiambao and Carl Tamayo who can be as good as Justine Baltazar at the wings!

[IPC]

Another good candidate for wing aside from Jeo Ambohot is 6’7” Dave Ando(20yrsOld) of UST; And there are also a couple of young guys(both 19yrsOld) who stands at 6’8” , Kevin Quiambao and Carl Tamayo who can be as good as Justine Baltazar at the wings!

Ando can shoot, but he's always been used as a big, even in Ayo's offensive system. Can he be developed as a wing or at least a combo forward?

[shootingbwakaw]

Unfair comparison. Geo is way better than Ethan. Geo has played organized and competitive ball in grade school, high school and now college.

Ethan has NOT played organized and competitive basketball when he was in grade school, high school in Australia. Heck he cant even crack Team A in NU HS in his brief stay there. You add his inexperience in organized ball to his recurring knee problems, it will be a very difficult road of development for him

Ateneo, San Beda and La Salle to name a few passed up on him when he tried out a few years back. Ethan is just a tall kid.

Which is what a lot of posters here don't get. Can't take a hint.

[kaibooster21]

Well, He's still young, Don't give up on him.. A lot of centers before that they were discarded at college level but shine in the PBA.. Example Poy Erram.. Ethan is a hardworker.. 7 feet is a 7 feet.. Also you didn't get my point also.. We need to have more pool of bigs especially in qualifiers.. Did you see now Kai and AJ are always not available.. While we are not sure on our PBA bigs, and they are now in 30's.. Why not develop him atleast serviceable big man? Akala nyo siguro old format parin FIBA.. Look at our bigs, especially in cadets? Kulang na kulang tayo, then disregard pa natin ang player na gusto maglaro satin and willing to learn.. Ang choosy nyo naman...

Its not about being choosy, its about knowing who can play and who cannot. Being big isnt the only thing thay Philippine team needs. We need bigs who can REALLY play. If being taller is the only requirement, why not Pangalanan? I think he’s taller and healthier than Ethan. Oh and btw, I hope Raul Dillo is available. He is a freaking 7’3 guy maybe Philippines can use his size for intl competition..

[The_Big_Cat]

Which is what a lot of posters here don't get. Can't take a hint.

Sorry for the adjectives I will mention. But in street basketball slang they are referred to as "lampa", "bano", or "ampaw". Sorry talaga to be straight forward

[mathematicianrcg]

This is how our Young Bigs as of Now.

ELITE TIER - Kai Sotto, AJ Edu

Very Good Tier - Carl Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao

Good Tier - Heinz Demisana, Geo Chiu, Enzo Schatzel, Zain Mahmood

Raw Tier - Ethan Kirkness, JV Papa

Not Sure Tier (Don't have enough games to evaluate) - Ramon Salvoro

I did not include tall players who should be wings like Mason Amos, Sebastian Reyes or Lebron Lopez.(Based on their playstyle)

[IPC]

This is how our Young Bigs as of Now.

ELITE TIER - Kai Sotto, AJ Edu

Very Good Tier - Carl Tamayo, Kevin Quiambao

Good Tier - Heinz Demisana, Geo Chiu, Enzo Schatzel, Zain Mahmood

Raw Tier - Ethan Kirkness, JV Papa

Not Sure Tier (Don't have enough games to evaluate) - Ramon Salvoro

I did not include tall players who should be wings like Mason Amos, Sebastian Reyes or Lebron Lopez.(Based on their playstyle)

Well, we still have these other kids.

It’s a good idea that those tall/big young man prospects for Gilas should train/include as practice players in Gilas selection pool:
6’9” Geo Chiu(19yrsOld) -AdMU
6’9” Jimly Lantaya(19yo) -Letran
6’9” Ladis Lepalam (19yo)-C.St.Benilde
6’9” Matthew Aquino (22yo) -NU/MPBL
6’9” Kenmark Carino(22yo) -Sn Beda
6’9” Arman Demigaya -Univ.of Cebu
6’9” Gian Gaspar (20yrsOld) UST/Adamson???
6’9” Tsutomo Tateishi -UST/Davao???
6’9” JV Papà, (15 yrs old) -NU
6’8” Kobe Demisana, (15yo)
6’8” Kurt Edwards Perciano (15-16yrsOld)NU
6’8” Kyle Ong, (18yrsOld) -AdMU
6’8” Kevin Quiambao (19yo) -DLSU
6’8” Carl Tamayo (19yo) -UP
6’8” Erlan Umpad (20yo) -LPU
6’8” Clifford Jopia (21yo) -Sn Beda
6’7” Ramon Salvoro (15-16yrsOld) -Cebu
6’7” Seven Gagate (16-17yrsOld) -LSGH
6’7” Dave Ando (20yrsOld) -UST
6’6” Ezekiel Valdez (14yrsOld) -NU
6’6” Basti Reyes (15-16yrsOld)-NU
6’6” PJ Palacielo(15-16yrsOld)-NU
6’6” Raphael Reyes(15-16yrsOld) -SSC-R
6’6” Will Gozum (20yo) UP/Adamson ??
7’0” Jay Pangalangan (22yo) -Letran

[zairex]

Another good candidate for wing aside from Jeo Ambohot is 6’7” Dave Ando(20yrsOld) of UST; And there are also a couple of young guys(both 19yrsOld) who stands at 6’8” , Kevin Quiambao and Carl Tamayo who can be as good as Justine Baltazar at the wings!

A good example, Ando, good shooter, and strength. But don't have explosiveness and motor. Against world level opponents, even if we train his handles and improve his speed it will not be to the point that he can get past his defenders in wing position. Don't have long wingspan and I don't think can have Japeth like effect on secondary help defense. He might be too slow in close out, just like RDO had this issue in FIBA 2014.

[IPC]

A good example, Ando, good shooter, and strength. But don't have explosiveness and motor. Against world level opponents, even if we train his handles and improve his speed it will not be to the point that he can get past his defenders in wing position. Don't have long wingspan and I don't think can have Japeth like effect on secondary help defense. He might be too slow in close out, just like RDO had this issue in FIBA 2014.

I'll have to agree on this one. Right now, he's a stretch big at best. I dunno if he can be even a combo forward like RDO was. RDO could at least create off the dribble.

[zairex]

I'll have to agree on this one. Right now, he's a stretch big at best. I dunno if he can be even a combo forward like RDO was. RDO could at least create off the dribble.

Correct. Some are born with it. RDO has some issue in defending the perimeter but what surprises me is how he get away from his defender even if he is slower than them. In China, in 2014 the game where Paul Lee won via 3 FTs. I was observing RDO and got surprised how two Chinese defenders were taller and faster than RDO yet he was able to escape those defenders by being crafty and having his own phase. RDO let the two Chinese defenders pass him by to open himself for a layup while his defenders thinking they can outrun him went straight to the basket but shock that RDO fake them and able to score. Similar to the moves of RDO against Argentina and Croatia where he is smaller and slower but able to deceive them and just change phase and direction