Future Big Men Of Philippine Basketball

[lurklurk]

They probably do recognize it but at the end of the day what are they going to do? They clearly don’t have the power when the pba and schools can hold Gilas prospects hostage and they have all the bargaining chips. Also I’m sure the people in charge of these schools realize the problem but do they care enough about the national team? At the end of the day it’s about money, these kids have agents in high school and endorsements already, do we expect them to throw that away to join a national team with no guarantee of their future or go to another country that won’t be provide the same level of allowances for them and their family? The only thing realistically possible is to have an organization like EWP sponsor them to go abroad. Doesn’t have to be EWP but either go abroad or do like the ateneo college team and hire a world class coach to develop players.

Also a two way street, the prospects make money but what coach Tab said about the PBA making “stars” holds true in high school and college, hype up a star player to bring attention and people watch the games, but merchandise essentially spend money. Why would say the UAAP want these guys to leave?

Off the top of my head sir (leveraging on SBP being philippines's official basketball organization):

1. they can promote the local trainers and provide certification of sorts to ensure that these trainers/training centers are developing players inclined to international standards
2. provide certification to local leagues whose bylaws are aligned to the direction of SBP
3. develop partnership with other nations's official basketball associations to further open up the options of local players (giving more reason for international-level individual development)

If SBP just recognize that local player development is a major major problem, for sure they can think of a lot more programs than i stated. Hearing all the interviews and press release of SBP, i haven't heard anything addressing or even recognizing this issue. It's always focused on Gilas. IMO, they should leave Gilas to the program director and focus on other pressing concerns.

[qwertyz]

They probably do recognize it but at the end of the day what are they going to do? They clearly don’t have the power when the pba and schools can hold Gilas prospects hostage and they have all the bargaining chips. Also I’m sure the people in charge of these schools realize the problem but do they care enough about the national team? At the end of the day it’s about money, these kids have agents in high school and endorsements already, do we expect them to throw that away to join a national team with no guarantee of their future or go to another country that won’t be provide the same level of allowances for them and their family? The only thing realistically possible is to have an organization like EWP sponsor them to go abroad. Doesn’t have to be EWP but either go abroad or do like the ateneo college team and hire a world class coach to develop players.

Also a two way street, the prospects make money but what coach Tab said about the PBA making “stars” holds true in high school and college, hype up a star player to bring attention and people watch the games, but merchandise essentially spend money. Why would say the UAAP want these guys to leave?

I’d like to see coaches similar to Goldwyn Montverde that has a huge pool of potential National Team prospects, take this challenge of losing those players then scouting and Developing new ones. If they are really good scouts and recruiters like Topex, Aldin release players to go overseas and scout-develop new ones.

[qwertyz]

Off the top of my head sir (leveraging on SBP being philippines's official basketball organization):

1. they can promote the local trainers and provide certification of sorts to ensure that these trainers/training centers are developing players inclined to international standards
2. provide certification to local leagues whose bylaws are aligned to the direction of SBP
3. develop partnership with other nations's official basketball associations to further open up the options of local players (giving more reason for international-level individual development)

If SBP just recognize that local player development is a major major problem, for sure they can think of a lot more programs than i stated. Hearing all the interviews and press release of SBP, i haven't heard anything addressing or even recognizing this issue. It's always focused on Gilas. IMO, they should leave Gilas to the program director and focus on other pressing concerns.

Hmm I like this plan. Hopefully SBP could really take notice of this. Is there anyone with connections to SBP that could relay this? There are a lot of Basketball trainers and academies in the Philippines. SBP should gather them and talk how they should develop players for the national team, in exchange give them some sort of Coaching certificate from the SBP/Gilas program. Mavs, Primetime, Cordera, Betterbballph and many more whose clients are national team prospects should take this chance when given.

Also SBP should somehow coordinate leagues from elementary to College (maybe even semi pros). Start off with FIBA-like officiating then maybe they could have some sort of hand in how players are trained and developed.

[TheRodster21]

I’d like to see coaches similar to Goldwyn Montverde that has a huge pool of potential National Team prospects, take this challenge of losing those players then scouting and Developing new ones. If they are really good scouts and recruiters like Topex, Aldin release players to go overseas and scout-develop new ones.

I don’t really like the hoarding of talent to a certain extent, for example a guy like 6’9 Lantaya is sitting on NU’s bench but also would the schools be ok with losing a player they are still useful to them? I’ve always wondered why a majority of players max out eligiblilty when they are amateurs and they could go to the pros and get paid but clearly they are getting enough and for most they aren’t guaranteed to make it past the college.

[TheRodster21]

Off the top of my head sir (leveraging on SBP being philippines's official basketball organization):

1. they can promote the local trainers and provide certification of sorts to ensure that these trainers/training centers are developing players inclined to international standards
2. provide certification to local leagues whose bylaws are aligned to the direction of SBP
3. develop partnership with other nations's official basketball associations to further open up the options of local players (giving more reason for international-level individual development)

If SBP just recognize that local player development is a major major problem, for sure they can think of a lot more programs than i stated. Hearing all the interviews and press release of SBP, i haven't heard anything addressing or even recognizing this issue. It's always focused on Gilas. IMO, they should leave Gilas to the program director and focus on other pressing concerns.

These are actually all great ideas

1. Don’t the BCAP have control of that sort of thing?

As for lack of talk of development, well we saw what happens when a coach says something to the public.

[lurklurk]

These are actually all great ideas

1. Don’t the BCAP have control of that sort of thing?

As for lack of talk of development, well we saw what happens when a coach says something to the public.

BCAP is for coaches if im not mistaken. Player development is for trainers pa rin. A coach can be a trainer as well, but fundamentally they differ in their objectives.

As for tab, well we all know he is not a salesman. To get sympathizers in this country, you really need to be good in salestalk.

[lurklurk]

Hmm I like this plan. Hopefully SBP could really take notice of this. Is there anyone with connections to SBP that could relay this? There are a lot of Basketball trainers and academies in the Philippines. SBP should gather them and talk how they should develop players for the national team, in exchange give them some sort of Coaching certificate from the SBP/Gilas program. Mavs, Primetime, Cordera, Betterbballph and many more whose clients are national team prospects should take this chance when given.

Also SBP should somehow coordinate leagues from elementary to College (maybe even semi pros). Start off with FIBA-like officiating then maybe they could have some sort of hand in how players are trained and developed.

if there are SBP members here, i'm willing to present these programs in further detail LOL.

[Silent Killer]

It's actually spot on, the problem goes down even all the way to early high school years, where winning for the school takes priority over individual development, if that means playing lopez exclusively at center in 1st and 2nd year high school so be it.

When NU faced the US NBTC team of Green , instead of challenging Tamayo defensively one on one , what NU did what was most sensible thing to win, play zone, and put Tamayo inside in the middle , not on Green outside one on one in the perimeter. Naks parang ang talino lol as repeatedly mentioned our problem from high school all the way to pros is systemic !

in other words, RP youth coaches is pigeonholing the kids.. your’re tall and you play center and he’s 6’2.

[Silent Killer]

once upon a time thirdy played PF for blue eaglets..

[mathematicianrcg]

in other words, RP youth coaches is pigeonholing the kids.. your’re tall and you play center and he’s 6’2.

To be fair. It may be due to lack of Bigs. If you have

5'9,5'10,6'0'6'1,6'3 in your HS team. Then the pinoy coach would surely use the 6'3 as the center, let alone if he is 6'5.

Imagine if that 6'5 is Lopez. He must play wing/guard. But because of the situation, he is being forced to play center.

That Happens with Lazaro and Lopez. Both are wings. But one of them need to sacrifice to play the C/Pf position. And Lazaro is the one sacrificed.(This is due to lack of Bigs). That is why lazaro never improve and never get to his full potential

The only way to solve this is using POSITIONLESS basketball. Where PF and C are technically both Wings in the system. You will sacrifice rebounding, but it can be solved if the team help oeach other in the board.

[lurklurk]

once upon a time thirdy played PF for blue eaglets..

to be fair, high school thirdy is subpar in dribbling and shooting.

[mathematicianrcg]

Insiders Rumors

Demisana Family and Ewp in talks.

Problem: Demisana Family is "Nahihiya" to UP because Heinz already commited. Maybe They will cosider after Hs like Kai did

Comeon Demisana Family, This is for the Future of Heinz!!!!. Stop that "Nahihiya" Mentality

[qwertyz]

once upon a time thirdy played PF for blue eaglets..

He played point forward in the Finals tho. Season 76 I think. Theres still videos of him in high school in Ateneos youtube channel. You could see how the guards were constantly looking for him to set the offense. Matt was the point guard but Thirdy had the Advantage against slower PFs like Cauilan and Dyke. Meanwhile Matt Nieto struggled against Cani. Eaglets lost the series tho. It was during the time where LBJ was playing point forward for the Miami Heat. So I guess that was the inspiration of Thirdy playing Point Forward.
Starting Five was
G Matt Nieto
G Jolo Mendoza
F Aaron Black
F Thirdy Ravena
C Mike Nieto

[lurklurk]

Insiders Rumors

Demisana Family and Ewp in talks.

Problem: Demisana Family is "Nahihiya" to UP because Heinz already commited. Maybe They will cosider after Hs like Kai did

Comeon Demisana Family, This is for the Future of Heinz!!!!. Stop that "Nahihiya" Mentality

are they sure that Demisana family is in talks with EWP? curious question lang

[qwertyz]

I don’t really like the hoarding of talent to a certain extent, for example a guy like 6’9 Lantaya is sitting on NU’s bench but also would the schools be ok with losing a player they are still useful to them? I’ve always wondered why a majority of players max out eligiblilty when they are amateurs and they could go to the pros and get paid but clearly they are getting enough and for most they aren’t guaranteed to make it past the college.

Agree. I mean thats the challenge of coaching right? You produced a 6’7 big men who can easily play as a wing and shoot outside. Can you do it again? Our best U16 players have no room to play here in the Philippines. They should be playing overseas. Good thing Dalph was in Italy or else maxed out yan sa Ateneo lol