European Philosophy Needed for Philippine Basketball

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SBP interested in Serbian coach
By Beth Celis Inquirer 09/16/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- The 59-year old Serbian coach gave it to Patrick Gregorio straight: “If you want to get back on the Asian basketball map, you have to have at least one 7-foot player in the team.”

And since he is aware that we don’t grow basketball players that tall in the Philippines, Vlade Djurovic said we will need to naturalize, the way we did 20 years ago in the case of Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Chip Engelland, none of whom even came close to 7 feet.

With the trio, we won the Fiba-Asia Men’s championship, then known as the Asian Basketball Conference, and the 1986 Jones Cup.

“Vlade said the most important positions in a basketball team are those of center and point guard. He said we have many good point guards but no good center. Compared to the other Asians, he rated the Filipino basketball player as “good”, but not excellent, not even very good,” said the BAP-SBP project director, who has been tasked by chair Manny V. Pangilinan to study and evaluate European basketball philosophy which has proven so effective in recent years.

“We’ve tried the American and Asian philosophies, but these didn’t work for us. Maybe the European philosophy will.”

Just exactly what is the European philosophy? I asked Pato.

“It’s continuous passing. Pass. Pass. Pass. You don’t allow the ball to stay in your hands longer than a few seconds. You should see his drills. A cager must be able to manage four balls at one time,”

Pato said 80 participants from the PBA, the PBL and the collegiate leagues from all over the Philippines attended the two-day clinic conducted by Djurovic at the Fort in Taguig.

“To my recollection, it was the first time we had a basketball clinic conducted by a European. He had many ideas which were new to us.”

Yes, the SBP is considering hiring Djurovic long term, to teach basketball on the grassroots level and even perhaps to coach the national team.

Gregorio said that Djurovic, for his part, felt it would be a great honor if he succeeds in helping the Philippines find itself back in the world basketball map.

“He said he’s getting old and that might be a legacy he can leave to both Serbia and the Philippines. Do you know that he didn’t charge us a single centavo for his clinic? He even paid for his own air fare.”

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MANILA, Philippines -- The 59-year old Serbian coach gave it to Patrick Gregorio straight: “If you want to get back on the Asian basketball map, you have to have at least one 7-foot player in the team.”

And since he is aware that we don’t grow basketball players that tall in the Philippines, Vlade Djurovic said we will need to naturalize, the way we did 20 years ago in the case of Jeff Moore, Dennis Still and Chip Engelland, none of whom even came close to 7 feet.
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None of these "Filipino coaches are good enough" blind jingoism. No, they're not. None of them are. None of them has won any FIBA-Asia championships since 1973!

None of these "Filipino homegrown players are good enough" stupid patriotism. No, they'll never have a good enough 6-10, or 6-11, or 7-0 center. Not even those now in the U.S. The Philippines needs an NBA or Euroleague-caliber center. If any of those in the US turn out to be of this caliber, well and good. But I doubt that any of them are.

[armorpiercing]

painful truth!!

None of these "Filipino coaches are good enough" blind jingoism. No, they're not. None of them are. None of them has won any FIBA-Asia championships since 1973!

None of these "Filipino homegrown players are good enough" stupid patriotism. No, they'll never have a good enough 6-10, or 6-11, or 7-0 center. Not even those now in the U.S. The Philippines needs an NBA or Euroleague-caliber center. If any of those in the US turn out to be of this caliber, well and good. But I doubt that any of them are.

bottomline is, they unconciously brainwashed us or made us believe that they are good and at the same level with the best of the world. but infact, its not. not even close.


the philippine basketball doctrine is antiqueted and outdated.

we allready have some big guys before, dillo, feihl, balingit and many others. who have an interest in basketball. but what did they do? they neglected them. if those behemoths were just given proper training, funds and attention. much more break or chance. i think they can help our endevour.


if we can train animals, much more with humans.

[Onizuka01]

bottomline is, they unconciously brainwashed us or made us believe that they are good and at the same level with the best of the world. but infact, its not. not even close.


the philippine basketball doctrine is antiqueted and outdated.

we allready have some big guys before, dillo, feihl, balingit and many others. who have an interest in basketball. but what did they do? they neglected them. if those behemoths were just given proper training, funds and attention. much more break or chance. i think they can help our endevour.


if we can train animals, much more with humans.

its not matter of brainwashing us. its either to learn their brand of play "European style" much more accord with FIBA rules. talking about them brainwashing us is a matter of crab mentality, thats one reason we can't go forward, knowing things we don't know. we all know the fact the reasons why RP BB Team at its weakest link, its a good thing this Serbian Coach came here to help us. Some other ASIAN teams have their own Serbian Coach, like IRAN FIBA ASIA Champion.

SO mind u amorpiercing the only way to improve is to look, learn and understand some other people's philosophy even if their not the BEST from the world. its a give and take situation neither way one thinks of it as crab mentality.

[armorpiercing]

its not matter of brainwashing us. its either to learn their brand of play "European style" much more accord with FIBA rules. talking about them brainwashing us is a matter of crab mentality, thats one reason we can't go forward, knowing things we don't know. we all know the fact the reasons why RP BB Team at its weakest link, its a good thing this Serbian Coach came here to help us. Some other ASIAN teams have their own Serbian Coach, like IRAN FIBA ASIA Champion.

SO mind u amorpiercing the only way to improve is to look, learn and understand some other people's philosophy even if their not the BEST from the world. its a give and take situation neither way one thinks of it as crab mentality.

The " THEM " that i'm referrng to, are some filipino basketball
coaches. they are not good as they were advertised. they are only good in the philippines. bring them outside the country and pit them head to head againts some foreign coaches and they will go PUUUUUUUFFFFFFFTTTTTTTT!!


in other words they were only good in the papers.


how many grandslam champion coaches in the PBA who cried in international tournaments?

do you want me to name names?

[joel23]

That's the good point!
He should to train to Philippine homegrown coaches for improving international style of players in the Philippines. He should to build a basketball clinic here for all players & coaches around the country including PBA, NCAA, UAAP, PBL, CESAFI players etc. But the problem is he is getting older as he has much make he can. We have more talented PG players and also more SG players. We've poor and few taller 6'10 above players is easy to become exhaust. Should be the bigger players esp. teenagers or pre-teen players need more practice, training hard, work harder and avoiding a long time get together with friends like "bisyo & gimmick". We can't win the championship if we don't have atleast big center.

[onono1]

its not matter of brainwashing us. its either to learn their brand of play "European style" much more accord with FIBA rules. talking about them brainwashing us is a matter of crab mentality, thats one reason we can't go forward, knowing things we don't know. we all know the fact the reasons why RP BB Team at its weakest link, its a good thing this Serbian Coach came here to help us. Some other ASIAN teams have their own Serbian Coach, like IRAN FIBA ASIA Champion.

SO mind u amorpiercing the only way to improve is to look, learn and understand some other people's philosophy even if their not the BEST from the world. its a give and take situation neither way one thinks of it as crab mentality.

Speaking of "european style", have u guys have been watching euro league and FIBA euro-competition at cable tv btv channel? Have you noticed individual plays and penetrations are also common in european national teams That germany is one of the poorest 3 point shooting squad in europe, hehehehehhehe... Also, spain's crack pointguard jose calderon likes to play one-on-one and drive strong to the basket without passing the ball to his teammates. That too is european brand of play we are talking about

[jfol]

The " THEM " that i'm referrng to, are some filipino basketball
coaches. they are not good as they were advertised. they are only good in the philippines. bring them outside the country and pit them head to head againts some foreign coaches and they will go PUUUUUUUFFFFFFFTTTTTTTT!!


in other words they were only good in the papers.


how many grandslam champion coaches in the PBA who cried in international tournaments?

do you want me to name names?

yes..please

[bolabasket]

hit the nail on the head!

[onono1]

Name names? How about a grandslam american coach in the pba who used to call shots to a giant beer company pro-squad, hehehhehehe. He was a national coach in 1994 asian games.

[armorpiercing]

kerek!!!

Speaking of "european style", have u guys have been watching euro league and FIBA euro-competition at cable tv btv channel? Have you noticed individual plays and penetrations are also common in european national teams That germany is one of the poorest 3 point shooting squad in europe, hehehehehhehe... Also, spain's crack pointguard jose calderon likes to play one-on-one and drive strong to the basket without passing the ball to his teammates. That too is european brand of play we are talking about

did you ever see a european coach fielded a 6'5" player
as center? or a 6'3" small forward?


NEEEEVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!


ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINE TEAM YOU CAN SEE
THAT ANOMALY.

look at russian NT they're allready a strong team but still they
employ naturalized player.


about the phillipine team?


NEVER!!!!!!!!


GODDAMNIT!!

i believe that im not the only one who have this sentiments.

[RetiredJordanStopper]

it's not an anomaly and we're doing it only out of neccesity and you are over reacting..

our best centers are only between 6'6 to 6'9 ,and those above that are all stiffs. so it follows for the other positions. except on the pg spot and in some cases the 2 spot.

who wouldnt want to have a 6'4 pg, 6'6 og, 6'8 sf, 6'10 pf and a 7 footer of a center? but the reality is, we just dont have the right genes and pedigree to grow tall. hence, we play what we have, 6'6 - 6'9 pfs/centers and a bunch of little guys playing pgs, ogs and sfs. we have to make do with them unless SBP naturalizes players from other countries.

but naturalization will take at least 3 years and the NT can only field 2 naturalized players. so if ever, the best option is to field 2 naturalize centers, where we are most undersized and weak., and if we invest now, we will only benefit from it come 2010, unless you want to naturalize 6'9 sam ekwe or that 6'6 Serb from DLSU, both playing center and are living here for more than 3+ years already, but still, they both fall on the 6'6 - 6'9 range and they are not that polished

did you ever see a european coach fielded a 6'5" player
as center? or a 6'3" small forward?


NEEEEVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!


ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINE TEAM YOU CAN SEE
THAT ANOMALY.

look at russian NT they're allready a strong team but still they
employ naturalized player.


about the phillipine team?


NEVER!!!!!!!!


GODDAMNIT!!

i believe that im not the only one who have this sentiments.

[armorpiercing]

you're right.

it's not an anomaly and we're doing it only out of neccesity and you are over reacting..

our best centers are only between 6'6 to 6'9 ,and those above that are all stiffs. so it follows for the other positions. except on the pg spot and in some cases the 2 spot.

who wouldnt want to have a 6'4 pg, 6'6 og, 6'8 sf, 6'10 pf and a 7 footer of a center? but the reality is, we just dont have the right genes and pedigree to grow tall. hence, we play what we have, 6'6 - 6'9 pfs/centers and a bunch of little guys playing pgs, ogs and sfs. we have to make do with them unless SBP naturalizes players from other countries.

but naturalization will take at least 3 years and the NT can only field 2 naturalized players. so if ever, the best option is to field 2 naturalize centers, where we are most undersized and weak., and if we invest now, we will only benefit from it come 2010, unless you want to naturalize 6'9 sam ekwe or that 6'6 Serb from DLSU, both playing center and are living here for more than 3+ years already, but still, they both fall on the 6'6 - 6'9 range and they are not that polished

you're very right. im just wondering why our basketball authorities never think and implemented this measure.

DONT TELL ME THAT THEY DONT KNOW THIS.

[joel23]

Speaking of "european style", have u guys have been watching euro league and FIBA euro-competition at cable tv btv channel? Have you noticed individual plays and penetrations are also common in european national teams That germany is one of the poorest 3 point shooting squad in europe, hehehehehhehe... Also, spain's crack pointguard jose calderon likes to play one-on-one and drive strong to the basket without passing the ball to his teammates. That too is european brand of play we are talking about

That's only Dirk Nowitzki's anticipate is the key for Germany NT. Other players are not good. If without playing only Dirk is a same level of Philippines, China, Lebanon, other top Asian caliber.

[bolabasket]

Vlade Djurovic...is he our future RP NT coach?