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  • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post
    USA needs FIBA players for their team, not necessarily an All-Star Team.

    Some stars are just not made for FIBA or NT duties, like Jamal Murray.
    To be fair to Jamal, he isn’t 100% healthy coming off a very recent injury. Looked slower than usual. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt, he’s been great pretty good in international play before for team Canada

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    • Originally posted by Metta View Post

      Those bigs at those ages are still at their prime. Fragile AD though might be a concern, and yes, Holmgren might take his spot 4 years from now.

      Evan Mobley and JJJ are potentially good prospects. They're not stars but may actually be good fits for the international game because of their defense and versatility.

      I think "NBA-superstar-capability" is overrated when it comes to the international game. Guys like Bogdanovic, Schroeder, etc are formidable Fiba players but nowhere near the top of the nba-hierarchy. What's important is the "alpha/dog" gene inside. There's plenty of that in the nba with guys like Ant, Morant, Brown, etc.
      JJJ was pretty bad in the recent World Cup, he works in the nba as a switchable defender but he can’t guard true bigs and that was abused. Evan Mobley isn’t tested but I think he’s similar. In my opinion, Jalen Duren could be a big that fits international play more

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      • If Wemby can be a big factor in FIBA ball, I don't see why Chet can't. I'm sure Chet will be in the next WC team because of the lack of bigs. Maybe bring back JJJ too.

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        • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post

          JJJ was pretty bad in the recent World Cup, he works in the nba as a switchable defender but he can’t guard true bigs and that was abused. Evan Mobley isn’t tested but I think he’s similar. In my opinion, Jalen Duren could be a big that fits international play more
          I think one player of their type makes it to the team, someone to match up with Wemby-types (if AD doesn't hold up and if Chet doesn't progress as planned) They're younger so they will get stronger.

          An Embiid though is still vital (to match up with power players) and would still be in his prime (barring injuries) by 2028.

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          • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post
            USA needs FIBA players for their team, not necessarily an All-Star Team.

            Some stars are just not made for FIBA or NT duties, like Jamal Murray.
            There are nuances. This is how other countries counter USA's advantages (also template for inferior teams defeating stronger teams):

            Shooters over slashers. Spot-up over ball-handling shooters. Ball movement over iso. Speed (not necessarily always about physical speed, but ball speed) over strength. Team defenders (a lot of zones) over individual defenders.

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            • I thought it will be Germany, because I think Germany is the only team can upset USA.. but because France is there, we have to analyze France chances.. against USA, they need Gobert to play more minutes, you don't put Wemby to play defense vs guys like Embiid or AD because they will abuse him... Yabusele and Lessort are strong but they are too small for Embiid, while 100% sure Batum will be the primary defender for curry.. France will not let curry to fire early like he did vs Serbia.. he will be scouted... KD vs Wemby will be the match up here... Since Wemby is the only guy to stop KD in scoring... Ntikilna, Courier, De Colo vs Booker, Jrue and White are equalizers... I like France chances... Because this time, USA will play for gold medal team against a home team.. so the fans inside will be against USA, unlike in the past that they don't play a home team in a gold medal match.. this is will be exciting game.. many said USA will win easily but that is not the case.. I'm sure France will go all out in front of their fans.. they want to finish USA dominance in basketball... Maybe USA will win by less points but I will not surprise if France win...

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              • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post
                USA needs FIBA players for their team, not necessarily an All-Star Team.

                Some stars are just not made for FIBA or NT duties, like Jamal Murray.
                Then guys like Alex Caruso should be in the roster.. perfect replacement for Jrue Holiday...

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                • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post

                  2028 might be another 2004/2006 in the making. Which sucks because they have homecourt advantage.

                  Anyway USA has 4 years to find the right coach and players for 2028. The game last night should be a wake-up call for their program.
                  They had a good program under coach k.. they have this odd year training camp for current and future USA player. Since coach k quit as HC, that program stop..
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                  • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
                    If Zion could get healthy, he could be another superstar for team USA. Cooper Flagg is good but I don’t know if he is a superstar, since his offense in my opinion is limited.
                    Cooper flagg with all the hype doesnt have this KD, kobe take over he can pile up the stats but come clutch, he aint that guy
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                    • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                      Cooper flagg with all the hype doesnt have this KD, kobe take over he can pile up the stats but come clutch, he aint that guy
                      Dang, hope he’s not the next adam morrison

                      Mike Miller/Gordon Hayward type career is ok
                      Last edited by CoJ; 08-09-2024, 09:43 AM.

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                      • For context, US will have Flagg,Harper, Ace Bailey(though not impress with him), Dybantsa, Boozer twins, Darryn Peterson and Jayden Quiantance to choose from by 2028. Though yeah, most of them will be pretty much still be too young to compete in the Men’s competition but I expect them to be in the pool by then especially AJ Dybantsa

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                        • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                          They had a good program under coach k.. they have this odd year training camp for current and future USA player. Since coach k quit as HC, that program stop..
                          Problem was those st*pid analyst like Stephen A had problems with Coach K being the coach and was very vocal on national tv that he shouldnt be the coach because majority of the high school players went to duke when he was the coach of the US Men’s Senior Team

                          Here is a clip of his rant:

                          Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman discuss Coach Krzyzewski managing Duke’s expectations and how he's used the privilege of coaching U.S. Basketball to bring...

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                          • USA should get Dan Hurley.

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                            • people forget about Banchero

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                              • Ant Edwards is being pushed by NBA Media to be next Alpha. and sometimes he acts like one. But he was spotty at best in last seasons' playoffs. He choked vs Dallas like he choked against Germany and Canada last FIBA WC. NYK's Jalen Brunson did more to elevate his stature last playoffs. But he also didnt do well in Manila last year

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