2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[CoJ]

The Philippines sent a trans boxer in this Olympics as well, Hergie Bacyadan. I think the difference is, he was a former female, but still completes in the Women's Division.

Funny thing is, he often posts pictures of himself, just wearing "sando" and he looks like really a man ( flat chested, and toned arms). Im suspecting testosterone injections, which begs the question, do they test for testosterone levels as part of Anti-Doping protocols? Also, what is the threshold of the level to be classified as a male rather than a female?

He should compete in the Men's Division if he identifies as a male right, like this boxer from Algeria, who identifies as female, and competing in the Women's side.

weird thing, western media is mum about this (well except for fox news, but mainstream sports outlets like espn, SI barely covered the carini-imane fight)

[CoJ]

IOC has a different set of eligibility rules compared to the intl federations (i.e. the IBA)

"Everyone competing in the women's category is complying with the competition eligibility rules," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said.

"They are women in their passports, and it's stated that this is the case that they are female."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/boxing-olympics-gender-test-imane-khelif-angela-carini-match/3681395/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DCBrand&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3NMihKarsDMe0Y43skCrfX5he4i7-DaWkTkGbfGgcSEBnd4Js_bMpe4Jc_aem_VV5BqDqd-uQjgk-KMAIBgg#lzbd9dxn644dnndk1l

[Dotch]

USA is still winless in 3x3 in both Mens's And Women's.

Men fall to 0-2 after they lost to Serbia and Poland.

Women; worse at 0-3 , as they lost to Germany, to the Aussies and gasp, to Azerbaijan! USA women are the defending champions, when they sent Kelsey Plum back in 2021, but she now plays in the traditional 5 a side.

[Dotch]

IOC has a different set of eligibility rules compared to the intl federations (i.e. the IBA)

"Everyone competing in the women's category is complying with the competition eligibility rules," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said.

"They are women in their passports, and it's stated that this is the case that they are female."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/boxing-olympics-gender-test-imane-khelif-angela-carini-match/3681395/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DCBrand&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3NMihKarsDMe0Y43skCrfX5he4i7-DaWkTkGbfGgcSEBnd4Js_bMpe4Jc_aem_VV5BqDqd-uQjgk-KMAIBgg#lzbd9dxn644dnndk1l

Oh ok, IOC took over the boxing competition from the corrupt International Boxing Association, so maybe thats why they allowed it.

[CoJ]

Oh ok, IOC took over the boxing competition from the corrupt International Boxing Association, so maybe thats why they allowed it.

To be fair naman with imane, she didnt transition as a woman but is born with a condition that gave her the extra male chromosome

seems that the premise of due diligence regarding the matter is deferred to the mother country since passport is the only eligibility requirement

[JOI2dWorld]

if ABAP has a foresight, they should've just train Awra and put into use his brawling capability

[thatweirdguy]

What???? No exhibit 10 from our Latvia upset team? But we are better than the Japanese!

HAHA. Scouts paid more attention to teams who are playing in the actual Olympics.

Not saying that Yuki is better than our local guards but he performed at a bigger stage against arguably better competition.

Wonder why some people always put down fellow asian players who get signed or even try out in the Gleague / summer league when it's already big news here when locals scrimmages or takes a selfie with an NBA players.

They're basketball program is doing good. I hope we can emulate what they're doing right.

[thatweirdguy]

The Philippines sent a trans boxer in this Olympics as well, Hergie Bacyadan. I think the difference is, he was a former female, but still completes in the Women's Division.

Funny thing is, he often posts pictures of himself, just wearing "sando" and he looks like really a man ( flat chested, and toned arms). Im suspecting testosterone injections, which begs the question, do they test for testosterone levels as part of Anti-Doping protocols? Also, what is the threshold of the level to be classified as a male rather than a female?

He should compete in the Men's Division if he identifies as a male right, like this boxer from Algeria, who identifies as female, and competing in the Women's side.

Why would he do that when he know's he's going to get destroyed if he fights in the men's division. These people are smart. They're going to use all the advantage they have

[Dotch]

Why would he do that when he know's he's going to get destroyed if he fights in the men's division. These people are smart. They're going to use all the advantage they have

Still got beaten by no. 1 ranked female boxer in his division. Regarding the earlier post, it was a response and a comparison to the other trans boxer who was born a male, but now fights in the female division, giving her an unjust advantage.

[Dotch]

Speaking of double standards, everybody are suspicious of the 19 y.o. Chinese swimmer who obliterated the field by winning by almost a second, the Swimming 100m Freestyle Event. He broke his own WR, and in so doing, Aussies, US and others almost immediately suspected him of doping.

While other swimmers from western countries including Australia, were celebrated and dont go under scrutiny and suspicions, like France's sensation Leon Marchand ( this generations's Michael Phelps ) , winning 2 finals in one night, fpr his 3rd gold. Nobody batted an eyelash when he achieved that feat.

Sidenote: The other Chinese world record holder and past winners dont even place. . The Chinese swimming team were closely monitored and tested more frequently in this Olympics, after some of them were found to have banned substances in their system. The Chinese feds said that they were tainted and WADA actually sided with them , escaping punishments.

[CoJ]

General position of the trans/left leaning community regarding the imane issue

-all athletes have genetic advantages : i.e. Wemby, Phelps


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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275?d_id=7961934&ncid_tag=fcbklnkushpmg00000024&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=us_entertainment&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1AcARsiIYmdY1WcazIrEksL_d1tnpFWdtds_TuBwyou4p10oQorKNn1J0_aem_0oSOpGCmBeVca6XtkaeWgg

[C2Hamm]

General position of the trans/left leaning community regarding the imane issue

-all athletes have genetic advantages : i.e. Wemby, Phelps


IMG_1922.jpg

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-ro...BeVca6XtkaeWgg

im pretty sure Paris have world class doctors who can test the boxer in question and get this controversy out of the way. if she is legit a woman, then we leave it at that. if she is trans, then we go by whatever eligibility rules OIC has. if there is nothing preventing her, go ahead and update the ruling after if the mebers of the OIC deems necessary.

its unfair if proven that the boxer is violating something and still competing. if she isnt violating any, but there is a need to update the rules, then update the rules after. It also unfair to criticise her without actual proof.

[CoJ]

im pretty sure Paris have world class doctors who can test the boxer in question and get this controversy out of the way. if she is legit a woman, then we leave it at that. if she is trans, then we go by whatever eligibility rules OIC has. if there is nothing preventing her, go ahead and update the ruling after if the mebers of the OIC deems necessary.

its unfair if proven that the boxer is violating something and still competing. if she isnt violating any, but there is a need to update the rules, then update the rules after. It also unfair to criticise her without actual proof.

Unfortunately the IOC's eligibity rule in boxing is simply the gender declared on the passport of the athlete

They really need to review this

[ja.he]

So Khelif Imane was born female and looks like a female in her childhood. However, per IBA chief, she was disqualified since she possesses an XY chromosome (male chromosome) and an elevated amount of testoterone (male hormone). That explains why she is a heavy-hitter. Similar to Nancy Navalta? Sort of.

If a woman, who possesses both male chromosome and hormone, has that kind of raw power, then the IOC should open a discussion and debates whether or not transgenders should be barred from participating in any women's Olympic events. Transgens could also have that kind of strength, even more, since they were physically born as males. Not only strength but also their body frame, arms span, and height. That will be totally unfair to all women athletes.

[Metta]

im pretty sure Paris have world class doctors who can test the boxer in question and get this controversy out of the way. if she is legit a woman, then we leave it at that. if she is trans, then we go by whatever eligibility rules OIC has. if there is nothing preventing her, go ahead and update the ruling after if the mebers of the OIC deems necessary.

its unfair if proven that the boxer is violating something and still competing. if she isnt violating any, but there is a need to update the rules, then update the rules after. It also unfair to criticise her without actual proof.

A lot of people are not aware that a person can be born with both male and female reproductive organs. It is very rare just like how someone can be born with non-normal chromosomes. I think that is the case with the Algerian boxer. Whatever the case was, her family considered her as a female since birth. Algeria being a Muslim country, I don't think they would be tolerant towards trans people (and this was also more than 20 years ago, not during this era of woke).

It's quite similar with our own Nancy Navalta who looked like a man (and at the very least has some chromosome anomalies as well) but was also considered a female by her family at birth.

This should not be confused with the case of the trans American swimmer (I forgot his name) who was clearly a former man and just switched over to the women's division. That is despicable.

It boils down to what rule is implemented. I think it should be what gender was listed on the birth certificate (tampering documents is a whole different topic).

Elite sports is filled with freaks, guys/girls who are genetic anomalies that makes competition unfair. As long as they're born as is, it's not cheating.