2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[reamily]

Well the fruit of their program (Japan) is already showing. When Llamas took over they became offensive oriented as he was able to maximize their undersized guards and made them a viable offensive option. When Hovasse took over, emphasis with conditioning and outside shooting was seen

But imagine sean alter, luis pablo and yes Brandon Bates level players able to hang toe to toe with wemby and Gobert..

[greenarcher]

Who cares if Japan loses to Brazil?

They set out to win the winnable games. And this was one bad call / silly foul away from being a won game. Just like their Finland game, they don't waste opportunities given to them. They beat opponents they are supposed to beat. If Brazil is simply a bad matchup like Germany, then so be it.

How many winnable games have we been given through the years? What did we do?

[JOI2dWorld]

When it comes to sports in Japan, their best athletes are either in baseball or football. Other sports like volleyball, rugby, countless individual sports (especially martial arts), etc also take a piece out of the population pie.

Considering that basketball is so low on their totem pole of priorities, what they've achieved in a short time is a testament to how a well thought out program can produce results.

We should study what they are doing right instead of hating/dismissing it.

what we hate is the overhyping as if it produced something that no other modern day asian team has achieved, and i really acknowledged how good the sports program of Japan in general as they are raking gold medals in other sports, which is something expected for one of the richest countries in the world, now with the basketball program i'd rather have our own identity and continue the progress of the current national team, by aiming to beat non asian teams and not just being satisfied with moral victories, with the new SBP leadership i am seeing the efforts of everyone involve especially now that they are trying to improve the grassroots and youth level, before we are always at the mercy of Chot hijacking the program and i hope this will be another thing that will be change by the current leadership, to be honest Chot is just acting like a dormant volcano waiting to erupt and be involve again with the national team, and for Japan good for them in improving their basketball program from being a mid tier team to a top five team but let's be real in Asia it's only China is at par with them when it comes to resources but still Japan is not that far ahead from other asian teams contrary to what others are trying to paint here

[ja.he]

Alright, you're not finessing. Then answer the original question...does Japan have a zero or non-zero probability chance to win against Brazil or not? It's a simple yes or no.

Yes, zero chance since Brazil's capability has being underestimated here. One thing that I learned about the Brazilians is that they are they doing their assignments very well - beat teams that they are supposed to win (Asian teams) and drop the game when needed (Cameroon).

Had Japan won their game against France, I will tell you that my stance will surely change. France is a world team so winning against them will be huge.

Just make no mistake about it - I don't hate Japan as a team but the hype surrounding it. Gilas has been doing this for a very long time but we are not going gagas for that.

[JOI2dWorld]

lol bro, if Japan won vs France last night, the haters will say it's a fluke. no point arguing with these very smart people.

the same way you are trying to insinuate that the Gilas win over Latvia was a fluke, Gilas led the entire game and led by more than 20 points, fluke or not it's still a good feat for a team that was just on its third official game together and without its 3 key players, yes porzingis and zagars did not play in that game, but Latvia should still have enough to beat "lowly" Gilas especially playing at home, isn't it what most people were saying before the tournament was it will be a rude awakening for Gilas in OQT

[Dotch]

I like Robert better when he was dick-riding Guam, not so when he accuses everybody in this forum to be Japan's bitches.

Just take the L man, It's gonna be alright.

[greenarcher]

what we hate is the overhyping as if it produced something that no other modern day asian team has achieved, and i really acknowledged how good the sports program of Japan in general as they are raking gold medals in other sports, which is something expected for one of the richest countries in the world, now with the basketball program i'd rather have our own identity and continue the progress of the current national team, by aiming to beat non asian teams and not just being satisfied with moral victories, with the new SBP leadership i am seeing the efforts of everyone involve especially now that they are trying to improve the grassroots and youth level, before we are always at the mercy of Chot hijacking the program and i hope this will be another thing that will be change by the current leadership, to be honest Chot is just acting like a dormant volcano waiting to erupt and be involve again with the national team, and for Japan good for them in improving their basketball program from being a mid tier team to a top five team but let's be real in Asia it's only China is at par with them when it comes to resources but still Japan is not that far ahead from other asian teams contrary to what others are trying to paint here

Unless we play France anytime soon and perform better than Japan did, there is no way you can substantiate the word "overhyping". Hypothetical scenarios and what-ifs cannot prove we "overhyped" Japan. Nobody in IBN expected them to go toe-to-toe with France and Germany. The haters all gave fearless forecasts of Japan being blown out. So if anything, you guys overhyped their weakness. And proven wrong.

Iran is also a rich country who are genetically superior than the Japanese, where are they now? Korea is also rich and so is Taiwan. China is a no-brainer. None of them are close to the success Japan currently has. Give credit where credit is due. Money is not everything.

Our program SUCKS. We have no grassroots program. Josh Reyes is still there. We have an import height limit.

WE SUCK when compared to Japan. Huwag kang in denial at bulag bulagan dahil sa "Pinoy Pride".

No the Latvia game was not a fluke. But JF is about to retire. Who will replace a 7 time MVP in the NT? The guys who beat Latvia are not even that young.

[ja.he]

I like Robert better when he was dick-riding Guam, not so when he accuses everybody in this forum to be Japan's bitches.

Just take the L man, It's gonna be alright.

Well, ironically, we had a very long conversation with him about the Japan and Guam game since I sided with Japan that game.

[JOI2dWorld]

Yes, zero chance since Brazil's capability has being underestimated here. One thing that I learned about the Brazilians is that they are they doing their assignments very well - beat teams that they are supposed to win (Asian teams) and drop the game when needed (Cameroon).

Had Japan won their game France, I will tell you that my stance will surely change. France is a world team so winning against them will be huge.

Just make no mistake about it - I don't hate Japan as a team but the hype surrounding it. Gilas has been doing this for a very long time but we are not going gagas for that.

this is my question that they cannot answer, with how successful the japanese program they are trying to paint, why there still no knockout stage qualification in tournaments outside of Asia, zero wins in 2020 olympics wherein they were the host, no podium finish in Fiba Asia, hasnt beat any of the top 10 teams in the world, has zero away win against non asian teams, if they will be able to do any of it then i can say that we should emulate them

[Metta]

Yes, zero chance since Brazil's capability has being underestimated here. One thing that I learned about the Brazilians is that they are they doing their assignments very well - beat teams that they are supposed to win (Asian teams) and drop the game when needed (Cameroon).

Good, I applaud you for that then.

I agree, Brazil has a very good advantage because of their defense and athleticism. But I still cannot say that Japan has zero chances of winning.

[greenarcher]

I like Robert better when he was dick-riding Guam, not so when he accuses everybody in this forum to be Japan's bitches.

Just take the L man, It's gonna be alright.

He's a guy who doesn't know how to take a L. There's always a nobela of explanation where he still ends up right and everyone else is wrong.

[Dotch]

Lost in this Japan Game is Eumir Marcial's tough loss against the boxer from Uzbekistan. Like what i said, Marcial is not a natural Light-Heavyweight. He's a better fighter at Middleweight. (But no, Robert shut me down again ..saying it doesnt matter..LOL). He had to fight at that class because Middle Weight was scrapped.

Well, that's why they have weight classes in most combat sports,. pounds or kilos really matter.

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[ja.he]

Good, I applaud you for that then.

I agree, Brazil has a very good advantage because of their defense and athleticism. But I still cannot say that Japan has zero chances of winning.

If Brazil loses to Japan, props to Japan. I am not stubborn naman.

We had very long discussion with Dave here regarding the rationale of Hagop Rule but I ended siding with him.

[greenarcher]

Yes, zero chance since Brazil's capability has being underestimated here. One thing that I learned about the Brazilians is that they are they doing their assignments very well - beat teams that they are supposed to win (Asian teams) and drop the game when needed (Cameroon).

Had Japan won their game against France, I will tell you that my stance will surely change. France is a world team so winning against them will be huge.

Just make no mistake about it - I don't hate Japan as a team but the hype surrounding it. Gilas has been doing this for a very long time but we are not going gagas for that.

Please quote all the people "underestimating Brazil" because I know Brazil is a terrible matchup for Japan and Japan will likely lose in a bad way.

Who is hyping Japan? Praising how their program is being run is different from hyping. Again, please quote the people who are "hyping" Japan in IBN. Based on your definition of hyping.

[Dotch]

Good, I applaud you for that then.

I agree, Brazil has a very good advantage because of their defense and athleticism. But I still cannot say that Japan has zero chances of winning.

Fun fact. Japan beat Brazil for the first time ever (fact check me please) in Men's Volleyball Nations League last year. 3-2. So anything is possible.