2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Sorry guys but the people who are always going ballistic whenever Gilas loses, even if it is a close one, are the very same people that are heap praising Japan for a close LOSS against France.

Well, credits to Japan for giving it all against France (that was supposed to win big) but Gilas did the very same thing in 2014, 2016, 2023 and this year. What I always hear whenever Gilas lost that close? Moral victories and we hate moral victories. But we are giving praise Japan for this moral victory. Where is the fairness there? Unless your opponent is chasing a quotient and you just want to be a spoiler, a LOSS is always LOSS.

On the side note, however, I do agree that we are doing a bad job in our youth program. For me, the first thing that we need to do is to eliminate nepotism in that program. For the past 10 years, I saw people in that program that, I think, has no business to be involved there (in both/either playing or coaching capacity).

If Gilas did the same thing, it's still a moral victory and we would still be praising Gilas for going toe-to-toe with full force France.

Much like how we treated them with their recent OQT result. It's okay they bowed out of that competition with a good outcome knowing they did their best with a crippled lineup and that there is a long-term plan in place.

[Rds]

I don’t know. Olympics is better competition. And many say Japan was one dubious call to winning against France. Sorry but I cant see Sotto defending any of Frances bigs. Lets forget about JF. He is about to retire. And there are no next JFs on the horizon for us. So all of you are saying that front court of Kai and Edu are better than Japans? Maybe if Edu is healthy. But what if Edu is not healthy? Who’s our next big, Tamayo?

Let’s be honest. JF played arguably his best international games in the OQT but that was not enough. Kai for sure is a better defender but he cant anchor our offense the same way JF can. Sorry to break it to you guys, we’re worse than Japan. Kai is not even NBA level and we’re saying his better than Hachimura and Watanabe? With an aging JF and injury prone Edu. Even with Kai, we are not that good. Or are we expecting JF to replicate his OQT performance again?

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Face of Asian basketball over the years

2007 - Hamed Haddadi
2008 - Hamed Haddadi
2009 - Hamed Haddadi
2010 - Yi Jianlian
2011 - Yi Jianlian
2012 - Yi Jianlian
2013 - Hamed Haddadi
2014 - Andray Blatche
2015 - Yi Jianlian
2016 - Yi Jianlian
2017 - Hamed Haddadi
2018 - Jordan Clarkson
2019 - Hamed Haddadi
2020 - no basketball
2021 - Hamed Haddadi
2022 - Wael Arakji
2023 - Jordan Clarkson & Justin Brownlee
2024 - Yuki Kawamura & Rui Hachimura
2025 - ????

[ja.he]

If Gilas did the same thing, it's still a moral victory and we would still be praising Gilas for going toe-to-toe with full force France.

Much like how we treated them with their recent OQT result. It's okay they bowed out of that competition with a good outcome knowing they did their best with a crippled lineup and that there is a long-term plan in place.

I don't think so. Been there, read that. The contrary happened. Just saying.

[ja.he]

Anyway, I was able to catch-up the game of Canada and Australia. Australia had the better offensive and defensive schemes and it showed in the first half. However, Canada's superior talent stood out in the second half and this was basically the reason why they were able to win the game.

Barrett and SGA showed their NBA pedigree-offense while Dort showed the reason why he has been in the main rotation of OKC for a couple of seasons and counting - his defense.

One missing link for them right now is Jamal Murray. He has been a disappointment so far in this tournament. Hope that he gets his groove come to the next round.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

I don’t know. Olympics is better competition. And many say Japan was one dubious call to winning against France. Sorry but I cant see Sotto defending any of Frances bigs. Lets forget about JF. He is about to retire. And there are no next JFs on the horizon for us. So all of you are saying that front court of Kai and Edu are better than Japans? Maybe if Edu is healthy. But what if Edu is not healthy? Who’s our next big, Tamayo?

Let’s be honest. JF played arguably his best international games in the OQT but that was not enough. Kai for sure is a better defender but he cant anchor our offense the same way JF can. Sorry to break it to you guys, we’re worse than Japan. Kai is not even NBA level and we’re saying his better than Hachimura and Watanabe? With an aging JF and injury prone Edu. Even with Kai, we are not that good. Or are we expecting JF to replicate his OQT performance again?

in 2-3 years, Kai and Edu MIGHT be a formidable front court in Asia IF they stay healthy and play consistent excellent basketball in their pro teams. Our problem is who's gonna be the reliever to these two?

Japans strength lies in their wings (Rui and Watanabe) and their guards (Tominaga and Kawamura), once they address their issue with their bigs it's gonna be very hard for Asia IF and only IF, Rui plays in Asian level tournaments.

I'm trying to understand the Japan haters' perspective. Trying to look at it from their point of view (Giannis34God and JOI2theWorld)

Maybe this is what they mean:

Basketball is all about matchups, hypothetically, if we were in Japan's place in Paris, if we had that WC 2023 core then replace the coach and a few pieces there with shooters and defenders (aka Heading Parks Newsome KQ) we COULD fare better than Japan in the Olympics (Brazil and France upset is possible, Germany can be shellshocked) because we're more balanced and we have a lot more weapons than Akatsuki Five. We won't have to over rely on JC anymore because we have a coach that promotes ball distribution. We have shooting, we have size, IQ, depth, athleticism and perimeter/interior defense. What we will lack sorely is experience.

But again, these are all hypotheticals, Japan deserves their spot and they're the best Asia can produce for now.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Anyway, I was able to catch-up the game of Canada and Australia. Australia had the better offensive and defensive schemes and it showed in the first half. However, Canada's superior talent stood out in the second half and this was basically the reason why they were able to win the game.

Barrett, SGA and Brooks showed there NBA pedigree-offense while Dort showed the reason why he has been in the main rotation of OKC for a couple of seasons and counting - his defense.

One missing link for them right now is Jamal Murray. He has been a disappointment so far in this tournament. Hope that he gets his groove come to the next round.

I think this is the first FIBA tournament Jamal Murray joined in a very long time. last was 2015 Pan Am Games, rest are u17 and u16. He's no KD or Bron, so he's still gonna adjust to the FIBA style of play. His teammates already have chemistry from world cup. He's gonna need to step up in the knockout rounds. If they had Wiggins, i'd say they're a lock for the Gold Medal game.

[zairex]

Again robert, you are clearly hating japan basketball as a whole.. don’t forget that some of our gilas players played in their league that you call low level..

Wow as if you don't hate. You even create accusations to make your point valid. Accusations without a single verified proof. Hypocrisy.

[greenarcher]

Japan haters are stuck in a world of hypotheticals, not to mention also stuck in the past.

You know why we will always live in a hypothetical world? Because our program is run by selfish idiots who have no foresight and have gigantic egos who until now refuses to adjust to the FIBA calendar. What makes you so certain that the future will no longer be full of hypotheticals when the same trash runs the program? Our SBP can't even control the NCAA and UAAP for God's sakes.

Meanwhile in Japan, nobody can deny their program is being run better than ours. From their grassroots program, Team B, to their pro league to their selection of head coach.

Like what people said, who will take over the players who could have hypothetically beat the teams that Japan was able to beat? Our top players from the Latvia game are all older than the current Japs, specially JF. Edu is always injured. Kai alone will not replicate our Latvia magic no matter who you include in the roster.

In short, we will be hardpressed to replicate that magical win in the coming years unless something drastic is done. Cone is good but he will no longer have JF soon.

So where are we going to end up?

[Marsh Mello]

Just funny how some here moves their Goalposts conveniently when they are starting to lose hold of their argument haha.
Let's just congratulate the growth of Asian basketball as a whole. Simply no more cellar dwellers in the World competitions.

[greenarcher]

Just funny how some here moves their Goalposts conveniently when they are starting to lose hold of their argument haha.
Let's just congratulate the growth of Asian basketball as a whole. Simply no more cellar dwellers in the World competitions.

People have forgotten how China used to perform at this stage even with Yao Ming.

[JOI2dWorld]

end of the day your analysis of Japan and Asian basketball is still trash. lol. brush up your knowledge a bit and watch more games.

lol one moral victory and ****, can't even beat one of the worst French side, still Japan has zero win against a top 10 ranked country, zero win away against a European team, with all the money spent still can't show anything, against a decent defensive side Japan will not be able to do anything than live and die with threes

[ja.he]

People have forgotten how China used to perform at this stage even with Yao Ming.

Well, China has been all about height, not their skills. Philippines and Japan fared better outside because we are more reliant on skills. Coaching is a plus.

[Metta]

Sorry guys but the people who are always going ballistic whenever Gilas loses, even if it is a close one, are the very same people that are heap praising Japan for a close LOSS against France.

Well, credits to Japan for giving it all against France (that was supposed to win big) but Gilas did the very same thing in 2014, 2016, 2023 and this year. What I always hear whenever Gilas lost that close? Moral victories and we hate moral victories. But we are giving praise Japan for this moral victory. Where is the fairness there? Unless your opponent is chasing a quotient and you just want to be a spoiler, a LOSS is always LOSS.

On the side note, however, I do agree that we are doing a bad job in our youth program. For me, the first thing that we need to do is to eliminate nepotism in that program. For the past 10 years, I saw people in that program that, I think, has no business to be involved there (in both/either playing or coaching capacity) but got involved because they have connections, either as a son of a coach, a son of board of governors, a son of an executive of a sports federation or a son of a businessman.

Greetings again. I am not one of the posters you refer to when you talk about Gilas bashers. I think I was one of the few who were seeing very positive things during our losses leading up to OQT.

But I seem to recall that your stance about Japan during our long conversation was clearly about their quality. How they just got lucky in the WC draws and that they would lose badly in the Olympics and that they have no chance in hell against Brazil.

I hope you're not changing your view now that they have "zero chance" of winning against Brazil. And mind you, you made that distinction of them having "zero chance to win" which is different from "losing". They "lost" that game against France, but they clearly had "a very good chance" of winning that.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

lol one moral victory and you're gargling your mouth with Japanese cum, can't even beat one of the worst French side, still Japan has zero win against a top 10 ranked country, zero win away against a European team, with all the money spent still can't show anything, against a decent defensive side Japan will not be able to do anything than live and die with threes

and your point is? despite everything you said, the fact remains, Gilas is still not in the Olympics despite many attempts while you're out there hating on someone who got there first.

it's really unfortunate you grew up a sore loser. maybe the reason why the basketball gods are not blessing us with that coveted Olympic spot is because our team is supported by pigs like you.