2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[paliganibossalfrancis]

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[paliganibossalfrancis]

What game was he watching? Togashi went 1/6 1 rebound and 1 assist with two turnovers.

Small guards are hit or miss these days. It's either you're getting a useless Scotty Ewing or a streaky Yago Santos.

Kawamura, Castro, Alapag are the exceptions.

But imagine if Japan had a big rolling for the alley-oop or cleaning up their bricks like Kai to pair up with Kawamura. All their bigs are flat footed. They have the budget to look for one.

[Dotch]

a loss is a loss, but god damn that's a tough one for Japan. Chalk it under "dubious".

[Dotch]

What game was he watching? Togashi went 1/6 1 rebound and 1 assist with two turnovers.

Rui is iffy. He doesnt really represent JPN outsde of the Olympics since he turned pro.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

a loss is a loss, but god damn that's a tough one for Japan. Chalk it under "dubious".

lol Twitter world exploded. everybody says it's rigged.

[Giannis34GOD]

still no credits on japan’s progress on basketball program? theirs a reason they qualified here in olympics.. give credit where credit is due.. too many times japan proved you wrong..

Nah.. Collet's poor coaching look Japan very good.. this was like 2022 seagames debacle loss of Gilas vs Indonesia.. did everyone here give Indonesia credit? None... All of us pointing the poor coaching of Chot Reyes... Just wait on Japan vs Brazil game and we will finally see if Japan beats Brazil... If Japan lose the same way Gilas lose to Brazil then why I will give credit to them, whereas we can do what Japan can do.. right?

[Silent Killer]

Nah.. Collet's poor coaching look Japan very good.. this was like 2022 seagames debacle loss of Gilas vs Indonesia.. did everyone here give Indonesia credit? None... All of us pointing the poor coaching of Chot Reyes... Just wait on Japan vs Brazil game and we will finally see if Japan beats Brazil... If Japan lose the same way Gilas lose to Brazil then why I will give credit to them, whereas we can do what Japan can do.. right?

I’m talking about the PROGRAM as a WHOLE.. you never EVER give them credits on their PROGRESS on basketball

you clearly HATE their progress that you RESENT to THIS type of COMMENTS..

if by your logic, we won against latvia means we have good basketball program?

do we even have a program?

your comments is proof that why we have no program in all team sports because of expectations of WIN, WIN and WIN.. results based..

[Giannis34GOD]

- In FIBA it's all about preparation, roster construction, system, luck and timing. just because PH beat Latvia, and Latvia beat France last World Cup doesn't mean PH can beat France with Wemby and their NBA guys. Also remember, PH beat Latvia without Zagars and Porzingis.

- No Japan did not beat France, but they were close to beating France full force in their home floor in regulation.

- Lebanon lost by 6 points to a France Team B without Wemby, and with France knowing they're already qualified to the Olympics as hosts.

- Coach Collet may have been underprepared vs Japan, but it doesn't necessarily mean Tim Cone can out coach him. We will see if they face each other.

- Luca Banchi was named FIBA World Cup coach of the year because that Latvian team overachieved. That doesn't mean Tim Cone is better than him based on one game.

- Despite France not having a perfect game under Collet, they are still in contention for the top spot in their bracket with an unblemished record.

Next time please construct a logical argument. sir. it's all over the place, no offense.

You said already it's all about preparation and luck.. Gilas did their thing.. and they should give credit to that... You said give you some proof about my statement about chances of Gilas against France, and I replied and I said yes.. I'm not sure if we can beat France but I'm 100% sure we can also toe to toe with France.. it's like you too much dickriding Japan and no trusting the abilities of other Asian teams including Gilas... And by the way, France parade their team A last year minus Wemby... So again, you again wrong here... Gobert, Fournier, de Colo and Batum played in that game.. Arakji also killing those inconsistent french guards.... If Japan did a close game vs France, you said Japan improve much, while if Lebanon or Gilas did a close game vs France then you pointing France didn't take game seriously... San hustisya bro? Japan lang ba kaya gumawa nian while other Asian teams can't? Wag ganun...

[Giannis34GOD]

I’m talking about the PROGRAM as a WHOLE.. you never EVER give them credits on their PROGRESS on basketball

you clearly HATE their progress that you RESENT to THIS type of COMMENTS..

if by your logic, we won against latvia means we have good basketball program?

do we even have a program?

you comments is proof that why we have no program in all team sports because of expectations of WIN, WIN and WIN.. results based..

No hate for Japan but you are too bias towards them.. if Japan doing good, sinasamba Nyo na and just dickriding their ass while of other Asian teams like Gilas did the same thing then still doubting their performance and just reacting they just got lucky... And I'm sorry, I will not root towards other Asian team who are our opponents.. I will just always stick with Gilas.. if Japan can do those things then why not us? Are you still doubting Gilas? With Tim cone? If they are the best Asian team then prove it next year...

[Giannis34GOD]

Stop living in the past lol. Our success in previous Asian tournaments and Japan's lack of podium finish is irrelevant to this year's FIBA sanctioned international basketball competitions.

- Gilas won Asian Games without Lebanon participation. They also won vs China without Zhou Qi and Anderson while we have 2 Naturalized players.
- We all know FIBA Asia Cup is more prestigious than the Asian Games, no need to educate the readers here.
- Japan still won 3 games in the World Cup last year and reinforced that same team making them the best Asian team to date under FIBA sanctioned tournaments. Gilas may have been stronger on paper but they did not take care of business.
- CURRENT Japan team almost beat a France team with reigning NBA ROY and DPOY.

Let's just all agree that Gilas could be better than Japan in the future. But please sir, stay in the present and enjoy the games.

Japan just beat weak teams in each continent Venezuela and Cape Verde.. don't act Japan beat powerhouse teams.. Gilas can beat those 2 teams with ease too.. don't overhyped too much Japan.. just prove it next year if they are the best.. the real definition of the best in Asia is to win the FIBA Asia cup..

[Silent Killer]

No hate for Japan but you are too bias towards them.. if Japan doing good, sinasamba Nyo na and just dickriding their ass while of other Asian teams like Gilas did the same thing then still doubting their performance and just reacting they just got lucky... And I'm sorry, I will not root towards other Asian team who are our opponents.. I will just always stick with Gilas.. if Japan can do those things then why not us? Are you still doubting Gilas? With Tim cone? If they are the best Asian team then prove it next year...

Japan is what Philippines should be.. they have good program something you never ever will appreciate and most people here are appreciating it..

They started with llamas to know, that’s progress.

1 win by gilas doesn’t mean we have good basketball program..

just look at our youth.. that says it all. do we have grassroots? let’s talk about that. i never see you contributed to that topic. let’s talk about that.. let’s talk about college scenes, high school leagues and etc.. let’s talk about that..

not doubting tim and the gilas..

root towards opponents? we have lots of receipts robert. don’t lie..

[Silent Killer]

Again robert, you are clearly hating japan basketball as a whole.. don’t forget that some of our gilas players played in their league that you call low level..

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Japan just beat weak teams in each continent Venezuela and Cape Verde.. don't act Japan beat powerhouse teams.. Gilas can beat those 2 teams with ease too.. don't overhyped too much Japan.. just prove it next year if they are the best.. the real definition of the best in Asia is to win the FIBA Asia cup..

Oh really? how will an Asian team win it again if Australia decides to bring their Team A to the FIBA Asia Cup? Think about it. Best placed Asian team in the tournament gets the bragging rights? Lol pathetic. That's why the qualification tickets in the World Cup for best Asian team (Japan) and best Oceania team (Australia) is separate. FIBA used the World Cup as a tool to weed out weak Asian teams not deserving of a slot to the Olympics. The other two teams that deserved a second look were PH and LBN but both of them did not qualify through OQTs. Regardless, Japan is still the best Asian team as of this writing.

It used to be that way in FIBA Asia Championship era where it was a qualification tournament for the World Cup (Top 3 Asian Teams) and the Olympics (Only 1 Ticket). Iran and China were "Kings" of Asian basketball because they won gold in 2007, 2011, 2013 and 2015. After that FIBA Asia Cup included NZ and AUS and would no longer qualify you for anything. Hamed Haddadi and Yi Jianlian lorded over Asia in that period and they proved it through FIBA Asia Championship, but now you have to go through a needle. We now have qualifying windows to the World Cup, and you have to be the BEST PERFORMING Asian team to qualify for the Olympics. Iran and Japan were clearly the best Asian teams in the last two cycles. Gilas has always been 2nd, 3rd, 4th best.Yep, we're almost there multiple times, but we haven't proved ourselves yet to claim the "Kings of Asian Basketball" title in FIBA sanctioned tournaments.

Now please stop the hate towards Japan. We're not d*ckriding, only giving credit to their program. We all root for the Philippines here, and soon hopefully we reach our ultimate goal of being the best in Asia and thereby qualifying to the Olympics.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Again robert, you are clearly hating japan basketball as a whole.. don’t forget that some of our gilas players played in their league that you call low level..

lol at "analysts" saying UAAP players are better than Japanese locals just through eye test.

so much hate towards Japan and the BLeague when they've accomplished a lot of things over a short amount of time. Their growth is astronomical. We now see NBL, Euroleague and NBA players making the jump to Japan. Their success in the Olympics and international basketball in general is no surprise because they've taken steps to improve not only their national basketball team program but also their grassroots and domestic league. They didn't cheat the game and look at where they are now. Brick by brick they're now one of the best leagues in the World and one of the best national team programs out there. Exactly what we expected PBA and Gilas should be by now.

EDIT: I will not be surprised if one day, Indonesia and the IBL will overtake us as best Southeast Asian basketball country for good if the PBA and SBP continues to f*ck up.

I personally think the level of competition in the IBL is higher right now with multiple imports and their locals regularly playing at a higher level of competition. Just look at how Pelita Jaya competed at the Basketball Champions League. Beating the KBL champions KCC Egis, beating Iranian powerhouse Gorgan. While our PBA teams continue to lose in the EASL.

In contrast, our locals in the PBA continue to play small ball with small imports (6'6) and out of position players and will now get used to boneheaded style of play with the inclusion of the 4 point line.

[ja.he]

Sorry guys but the people who are always going ballistic whenever Gilas loses, even if it is a close one, are the very same people that are heap praising Japan for a close LOSS against France.

Well, credits to Japan for giving it all against France (that was supposed to win big) but Gilas did the very same thing in 2014, 2016, 2023 and this year. What I always hear whenever Gilas lost that close? Moral victories and we hate moral victories. But we are giving praise Japan for this moral victory. Where is the fairness there? Unless your opponent is chasing a quotient and you just want to be a spoiler, a LOSS is always LOSS.

On the side note, however, I do agree that we are doing a bad job in our youth program. For me, the first thing that we need to do is to eliminate nepotism in that program. For the past 10 years, I saw people in that program that, I think, has no business to be involved there (in both/either playing or coaching capacity) but got involved because they have connections, either as a son of a coach, a son of board of governors, a son of an executive of a sports federation or a son of a businessman.