2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[Giannis34GOD]

this game is wake up call for Vincent Collett before facing the Germans.

Nah... Those twin towers are soft.. did you watch how bully Theis, Wagner bros and Voitghman in the paint? And they have those tools how to pull out Wemby and Gobert outside because all of those German bigs are shooters.. and France have problems in guard position.. if France guard having hard time beating Kawamura, how France will do against better PG like Schroder... Schroder will look twin towers like a fool...

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Men, a well prepared healthy tim cone led team.will beat that out of focus french yeam..thru the years asian teams even chot reyes led team got close to france..you all knew Rudy Gobert he will look out there as second coming of Barney Greg slaughter on a bad day abd be a the 3 time defensive player the next day..

Agreed.

Take out Chot Reyes, Kiefer Ravena, Roger Pogoy, Japeth Aguilar, Scottie Thompson from the WC team

insert Tim Cone, Chris Newsome, Ray Parks Jr, Kevin Quiambao, and Jordan Heading.

With that lineup, we'll give France a run for their money. But this is all speculative.

[reamily]

Agreed.

Take out Chot Reyes, Kiefer Ravena, Roger Pogoy, Japeth Aguilar, Scottie Thompson from the WC team

insert Tim Cone, Chris Newsome, Ray Parks Jr, Kevin Quiambao, and Jordan Heading.

With that lineup, we'll give France a run for their money. But this is all speculative.

A run for their money will be enough for me.

[greenarcher]

Japan has a very good chance vs Brazil. They are evenly matched. I mean, Gilas without Kai almost beat them if not for that 3rd qtr meltdown.

Go home with a moral victory and with a win. not farfetched.

I think Caboclo and Felicio will have a feast. They are not soft like the French bigs.

[Giannis34GOD]

a. Proofread for you, sir:

*He simply doesn't know how to coach
*No matter how France will fare this tournament, they should fire Collet.
*But don't overhype Japan too much

b. Identified false premise/ fallacies:

even Gilas can beat this France team (?) based on what data/results?
Tim cone will outcoach Collet for sure (?) how will you support this statement?

c. Speculation

Did you read my post.. I said "CAN".. that means chances are high... We can borrow Samad Bahrami conclusion.. we can use Latvia as barometer... Latvia beat same France team (although w/o Wemby) last year.. We beat Latvia with that same group that beat France... Did Japan beat France? No!!! Right.. so either 1 pt lead or 40 pt lead, still useless because Japan lose... Even Lebanon last year almost beat France by just 6 pt deficit... So are you convinced? France look Japan strong team because their coach sucks... Tim cone will outcoach Collet... Tim cone even beat Luca Banchi of Latvia.. a better coach, who named coach of the year last FIBA World cup.. Just go to French social media pages... Even they are disappointed with Collet...

[Giannis34GOD]

I think Caboclo and Felicio will have a feast. They are not soft like the French bigs.

And for sure Brazil's mission is to beat Japan... They knew their assignment... Just Collet put Japan a strong team because of his poor coaching..

[Silent Killer]

France coach sucks... He doesn't know how to coach.. I bet even Chot Reyes is better than Collet... He simply don't know how to coach... No matter how France will fare this tournament, they should fire Collet after this.. they will achieve nothing with him as a coach... But don't too overhyped Japan, even Gilas can beat this France team... Tim cone will outcoach Collet for sure...

still no credits on japan’s progress on basketball program? theirs a reason they qualified here in olympics.. give credit where credit is due.. too many times japan proved you wrong..

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Nah... Those twin towers are soft.. did you watch how bully Theis, Wagner bros and Voitghman in the paint? And they have those tools how to pull out Wemby and Gobert outside because all of those German bigs are shooters.. and France have problems in guard position.. if France guard having hard time beating Kawamura, how France will do against better PG like Schroder... Schroder will look twin towers like a fool...

Proofread again for you sir:
*did you watch how Theis, Wagner bros and Voigtmann bullies their defenders inside?
*And because of the shooting ability of these three bigs, they can pull out Wemby and Gobert from the paint to spread the floor
*if France guards are having a hard time defending Kawamura, how much more with a PG of Schroder's caliber?
*Schroder will make the twin towers look like a fool

Okay, fair points but France is still one of the better teams in the tournament from top to bottom. They're evenly matched with Germany on paper. It will boil down to focus and execution. It's a toss up between them for that 1st spot in their bracket. Both are quality teams and we can't gauge how they will fare against each other based off their performance vs weaker teams like Japan and Brazil.

Brazil and Japan will play for consolation while Germany and France will play for better placing in the QFs.

[Giannis34GOD]

end of the day your analysis of Japan and Asian basketball is still trash. lol. brush up your knowledge a bit and watch more games.

Still no results in any Asian competitions... If we have opportunities same as Japan, we can do it too.. I know even Lebanese supporters also thinking the same.. Gilas won Asian games gold medal, while Lebanon is 2nd last FIBA Asia cup almost beat Australia by just 2 pt deficit.. Japan meanwhile with their core (minus Rui) lose to Australia team B by 20 pts... What the real definition of best Asian team is to win either Asian games or FIBA Asia cup (FIBA Asia cup is higher than Asian games in terms of recognition by the way)... Japan is also playing on their opponents level.. Remember That Japan team lose to old ass Iran led by lolo Haddadi...

[Giannis34GOD]

Proofread again for you sir:
*did you watch how Theis, Wagner bros and Voigtmann bullies their defenders inside?
*And because of the shooting ability of these three bigs, they can pull out Wemby and Gobert from the paint to spread the floor
*if France guards are having a hard time defending Kawamura, how much more with a PG of Schroder's caliber?
*Schroder will make the twin towers look like a fool

Okay, fair points but France is still one of the better teams in the tournament from top to bottom. They're evenly matched with Germany on paper. It will boil down to focus and execution. It's a toss up between them for that 1st spot in their bracket. Both are quality teams and we can't gauge how they will fare against each other based off their performance vs weaker teams like Japan and Brazil.

Brazil and Japan will play for consolation while Germany and France will play for better placing in the QFs.

I'm sure you didn't watch Germany's game... You don't know their capabilities... Just watch on Friday how Germany will demolish overhyped France... They have no problems beating Japan by the way... Hahahhahahahhaha, unlike France that they need that home cooking just to beat Japan..

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Did you read my post.. I said "CAN".. that means chances are high... We can borrow Samad Bahrami conclusion.. we can use Latvia as barometer... Latvia beat same France team (although w/o Wemby) last year.. We beat Latvia with that same group that beat France... Did Japan beat France? No!!! Right.. so either 1 pt lead or 40 pt lead, still useless because Japan lose... Even Lebanon last year almost beat France by just 6 pt deficit... So are you convinced? France look Japan strong team because their coach sucks... Tim cone will outcoach Collet... Tim cone even beat Luca Banchi of Latvia.. a better coach, who named coach of the year last FIBA World cup.. Just go to French social media pages... Even they are disappointed with Collet...

- In FIBA it's all about preparation, roster construction, system, luck and timing. just because PH beat Latvia, and Latvia beat France last World Cup doesn't mean PH can beat France with Wemby and their NBA guys. Also remember, PH beat Latvia without Zagars and Porzingis.

- No Japan did not beat France, but they were close to beating France full force in their home floor in regulation.

- Lebanon lost by 6 points to a France Team B without Wemby, and with France knowing they're already qualified to the Olympics as hosts.

- Coach Collet may have been underprepared vs Japan, but it doesn't necessarily mean Tim Cone can out coach him. We will see if they face each other.

- Luca Banchi was named FIBA World Cup coach of the year because that Latvian team overachieved. That doesn't mean Tim Cone is better than him based on one game.

- Despite France not having a perfect game under Collet, they are still in contention for the top spot in their bracket with an unblemished record.

Next time please construct a logical argument. sir. it's all over the place, no offense.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

I'm sure you didn't watch Germany's game... You don't know their capabilities... Just watch on Friday how Germany will demolish overhyped France... They have no problems beating Japan by the way... Hahahhahahahhaha, unlike France that they need that home cooking just to beat Japan..

You are entitled to your opinion about Germany and France. It's must-see TV. But give Japan credit for almost beating a powerhouse Euro team.

And please try to contribute to this forum with intelligent analysis and well-founded arguments. Thank you sir.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

I think Caboclo and Felicio will have a feast. They are not soft like the French bigs.

yep, Hawkinson will be in foul trouble early.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Still no results in any Asian competitions... If we have opportunities same as Japan, we can do it too.. I know even Lebanese supporters also thinking the same.. Gilas won Asian games gold medal, while Lebanon is 2nd last FIBA Asia cup almost beat Australia by just 2 pt deficit.. Japan meanwhile with their core (minus Rui) lose to Australia team B by 20 pts... What the real definition of best Asian team is to win either Asian games or FIBA Asia cup (FIBA Asia cup is higher than Asian games in terms of recognition by the way)... Japan is also playing on their opponents level.. Remember That Japan team lose to old ass Iran led by lolo Haddadi...

Stop living in the past lol. Our success in previous Asian tournaments and Japan's lack of podium finish is irrelevant to this year's FIBA sanctioned international basketball competitions.

- Gilas won Asian Games without Lebanon participation. They also won vs China without Zhou Qi and Anderson while we have 2 Naturalized players.
- We all know FIBA Asia Cup is more prestigious than the Asian Games, no need to educate the readers here.
- Japan still won 3 games in the World Cup last year and reinforced that same team making them the best Asian team to date under FIBA sanctioned tournaments. Gilas may have been stronger on paper but they did not take care of business.
- CURRENT Japan team almost beat a France team with reigning NBA ROY and DPOY.

Let's just all agree that Gilas could be better than Japan in the future. But please sir, stay in the present and enjoy the games.

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Kawamura and Togashi just proved that small guards have a place in international basketball.

What game was he watching? Togashi went 3 points on 1/6 shooting with 1 rebound and 1 assist plus two turnovers.