2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

[Dotch]

Honestly, I'm against LeBron to join this Olympics... He doesn't need this competition... His legacy is already cemented even not joining international competitions.. It's a lose lose situation for LeBron and the rest of team USA here, everything less than a gold is already disappointment for this team, if they not win gold medal, the members of this team will be remember as the most disappointing team all time.. even Steve kerr, his coaching legacy will be varnish here if they didn't win gold medal...

Lets break down Lebron's "legacy: in the Olympics

2004- LeBronze.
2008 - Gold , but it was Kobe's team
2012 - Gold, but the reign of Spain and Argentina's Golden Generations have already ended , and also, the end of the run of the stronger teams like Serbia and Greece
2016 - Didnt participate
2021 - Didnt participate


2 Golds , 1 Bronze. not bad at all. . Better in count, than the tally of the ghost he is chasing. MJ only has 2 golds. But MJ's golds were somehow more significant, 1984 - Last All-Collegiate tam to win Gold and 1992- Best player in the Dream Team, the GOAT team in history.

[Giannis34GOD]

Lets break down Lebron's "legacy: in the Olympics

2004- LeBronze.
2008 - Gold , but it was Kobe's team
2012 - Gold, but the reign of Spain and Argentina's Golden Generations have already ended , and also, the end of the run of the stronger teams like Serbia and Greece
2016 - Didnt participate
2021 - Didnt participate


2 Golds , 1 Bronze. not bad at all. . Better in count, than the tally of the ghost he is chasing. MJ only has 2 golds. But MJ's golds were somehow more significant, 1984 - Last All-Collegiate tam to win Gold and 1992- Best player in the Dream Team, the GOAT team in history.

Olympics or FIBA achievements are small (unlike in soccer/football) the best players suiting for team USA are Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant.. but those two are not nearly on GOAT conversation.. in football, Messi is considered as GOAT because he won World cup trophy over Ronaldo... The reason why LeBron, Curry , etc.. joined this year because of two reasons.. one is obvious, they don't like what Noah Lyles said about the narrative of NBA champions as world champions.. almost all american NBA players commented against Noah Lyles.. they want to prove to Lyles that his statement is incorrect and second because it is held in Paris.. good destination for big time NBA players.. last two Olympic cities are not accessible for NBA players to participate.. 2016 Rio is not attractive for guys like LeBron or Curry , while in Tokyo, it was not accessible due to covid...

[Giannis34GOD]

The blueprint to beat USA is to play mixed with Euro plus American technique style of game... You can't beat USA just playing on Euro style only... 2004 Argentina and 2021 France beat USA because they have the tools and played with mic of Euro and American style of game.. I see only France and Germany have a chance to beat USA.. but that is a hard task...

[Dotch]

Noah Lyles has a point, he dedicated his whole life training to be World Champion in Athletics. Whereas, the NBA guys wanted to be called "World Champions" as well in a intra-club domestic league. But NBA does have the best players and best teams in the world, so yeah, they also have a point.

However, Olympic winners are not called World Champions, they are Olympic Champions, or Olympic medalists where 2nd and 3rd placers are also celebrated (Silver, Bronze Medalists).

USA sometimes, refer to Silver Medalists as the Best Losers, or Fastest Losers. So yeah, they dont want to lose. They compete like Ricky Bobby: "'If you ain't first, you're last." which doesn't sync with the Olympic's spirit of participation.

[paolylo]

Noah Lyles has a point, he dedicated his whole life training to be World Champion in Athletics. Whereas, the NBA guys wanted to be called "World Champions" as well in a intra-club domestic league. But NBA does have the best players and best teams in the world, so yeah, they also have a point.

However, Olympic winners are not called World Champions, they are Olympic Champions, or Olympic medalists where 2nd and 3rd placers are also celebrated (Silver, Bronze Medalists).

USA sometimes, refer to Silver Medalists as the Best Losers, or Fastest Losers. So yeah, they dont want to lose. They compete like Ricky Bobby: "'If you ain't first, you're last." which doesn't sync with the Olympic's spirit of participation.

It's not that hard. The "World Championship" is technically the FIBA World Cup in the context of what Lyles was alluding to. There are huge differences determining champions in individual sports as opposed to team sports:

The problem is his sports' World Championships happens every 2 years (except in 2021 because of the pandemic) instead of 4 and in between those odd numbered years is the Olympics so there's a major competition for three straight years with the Olympics sandwiched between the IAAF World Championships before taking a year off where there's still high-level meets all-year round like the Diamond League and the Continental Tour plus other quadrennial and biennial medal events like the Asian Games and the SEA Games. You can't have that in basketball primarily because schedules will never be consolidated if you have that every year, that's why FIFA and its continental minions in world football are corrupt because they find ways to make more competitions for broadcasting revenue.

Unlike the NBA, the best track/field atheltes aren't always in the Diamond League because each athlete has a different schedule depending on how many other events they prioritize (this was where Obiena and that corrupt fucker Ella Juico had problems because it costs money to train and send athletes for high level events). In that sport, one qualifies by just setting the fastest times or throwing/jumping the farthest/highest marks. In team sports, it's beat the other team and have the better W-L record during those international breaks/qualifying windows. Swimming actually tried a compromise between the two with an International Swimming League but the war in Russia + pandemic shut that down.

[Giannis34GOD]

It's not that hard. The "World Championship" is technically the FIBA World Cup in the context of what Lyles was alluding to. There are huge differences determining champions in individual sports as opposed to team sports:

The problem is his sports' World Championships happens every 2 years (except in 2021 because of the pandemic) instead of 4 and in between those odd numbered years is the Olympics so there's a major competition for three straight years with the Olympics sandwiched between the IAAF World Championships before taking a year off where there's still high-level meets all-year round like the Diamond League and the Continental Tour plus other quadrennial and biennial medal events like the Asian Games and the SEA Games. You can't have that in basketball primarily because schedules will never be consolidated if you have that every year, that's why FIFA and its continental minions in world football are corrupt because they find ways to make more competitions for broadcasting revenue.

Unlike the NBA, the best track/field atheltes aren't always in the Diamond League because each athlete has a different schedule depending on how many other events they prioritize (this was where Obiena and that corrupt fucker Ella Juico had problems because it costs money to train and send athletes for high level events). In that sport, one qualifies by just setting the fastest times or throwing/jumping the farthest/highest marks. In team sports, it's beat the other team and have the better W-L record during those international breaks/qualifying windows. Swimming actually tried a compromise between the two with an International Swimming League but the war in Russia + pandemic shut that down.

FIFA might be corrupt organization, but they are the best organization of all sport federations.. they are the only sport federation that can't dictate by IOC.. FIFA knew that all of revenue getting by helding football events in Olympics will all get by IOC.. long before ago, the Olympic football is the biggest competition for football.. but since 1992, FIFA introduced under 23 category for Olympic football events to more focus on their world cup and it was successful until now.. biggest football stars such as Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe not priorities Olympics for their international careers.. FIBA is dreaming of that.. but until now players are picking Olympics rather than the world cup, unless you are Luka doncic that always love to play for his country... This year is the most star-studded international competition of all time... There are rumors before that FIBA trying to do that w/ the help of some NBA personnels such as Mark Cuban that put Olympics under 23 but it didn't materialized.. even other sports such as volleyball, handball, rugby, etc.. the biggest event is Olympics than their world cups... I think only football and Tennis is the only sports that Olympic events are less prestige compare to their own tournaments... But if FIBA wants their world cup to be more popular than Olympics, they have to put Olympic basketball as under 23 event.. I think this is the best chance to do it since the competition is more intense than before, the popularity of the sport as general and it will benefit for the players because they will just focus on one major world tournament.. I know FIBA wants to introduce it, maybe not now, but don't be shock if they will do that too, maybe 10 to 15 years from now..

[ja.he]

For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.

[Giannis34GOD]

For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.

Aside from France, I think Germany have a shot too.. they have the same vibes of 2004 Argentina team who win the gold... Their chemistry is top notch and can play within mix of Euro and American style of play and they have versatile players that can match against the LeBron, KD, Edwards, etc.. plus they have a real leader in Schroder.. he's like 2004 Ginobili while Theis is their Scola.. the reason why Serbia can't beat USA because they can't match the athleticism of US (they are the Spain of 2010s) while Canada is like the mini USA w/o a big man... If Canada have a big man to match against Davis or Bam, they have a shot too... The reason also why it's harder to beat teams in America's than in Europe (for Asian standpoint) because their athleticism is too much for any Asian teams...

[JOI2dWorld]

none of these teams can match the depth of USA, the strength of USA this tournament lies on their depth, plus the difference between the Olympic team and the world cup team is defense, the composition of the current team has players that can play defense especially the 2nd unit, Canada has the talent the hang with USA but don't have the depth

[paliganibossalfrancis]

For me, there is only one team that has a clear shot at beating the US - it's France. Yes, the French team struggled against Serbia but the former has personnel to force the Americans to settle for outside shots - Wemby and Gobert.

Crazy that on paper there are about 9 players on that USA team better than Wemby and Gobert. However it will be a funny sight to see if Wemby toys with these Americans in the Olympics. we can finally say the future has arrived. It's either that or they neutralize Wemby.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

It's not that hard. The "World Championship" is technically the FIBA World Cup in the context of what Lyles was alluding to. There are huge differences determining champions in individual sports as opposed to team sports:

The problem is his sports' World Championships happens every 2 years (except in 2021 because of the pandemic) instead of 4 and in between those odd numbered years is the Olympics so there's a major competition for three straight years with the Olympics sandwiched between the IAAF World Championships before taking a year off where there's still high-level meets all-year round like the Diamond League and the Continental Tour plus other quadrennial and biennial medal events like the Asian Games and the SEA Games. You can't have that in basketball primarily because schedules will never be consolidated if you have that every year, that's why FIFA and its continental minions in world football are corrupt because they find ways to make more competitions for broadcasting revenue.

Unlike the NBA, the best track/field atheltes aren't always in the Diamond League because each athlete has a different schedule depending on how many other events they prioritize (this was where Obiena and that corrupt fucker Ella Juico had problems because it costs money to train and send athletes for high level events). In that sport, one qualifies by just setting the fastest times or throwing/jumping the farthest/highest marks. In team sports, it's beat the other team and have the better W-L record during those international breaks/qualifying windows. Swimming actually tried a compromise between the two with an International Swimming League but the war in Russia + pandemic shut that down.

there's no real way to settle who the real World Champs are in club setting but the best of the best plays there. NBA is traditionally the most prestigious league in the world for obvious reasons. Being the best team in the best league in the world gives them the right to call them 'World Champions' but totally unnecessary because we all know NBA is the best there is.

unlike the PBA, KBL, Bleague and CBA... there's a way to settle who the real East Asian champs are through EASL like how they do it in the Euroleague. Like FIBA Asia, I hope they include NBL teams in the EASL.

BCL Asia is comparable to the EuroCup. (or maybe i'm wrong because Al Riyadi Lebanon will smoke any EASL team)

Everybody else is just playing for 2nd, 3rd, 4th best in the World.

however in national team setting, it's different. IMO World Cup Champs and Olympic Champs are two equally prestigious distinctions, but the Olympics must be held to a higher regard because the weaker teams are filtered out. It's the pinnacle for athletes, maybe except for football and boxing

[greenarcher]

Crazy that on paper there are about 9 players on that USA team better than Wemby and Gobert. However it will be a funny sight to see if Wemby toys with these Americans in the Olympics. we can finally say the future has arrived. It's either that or they neutralize Wemby.

US guards will probably eliminate French backcourt. Wemby can't win the game on his own.

[ja.he]

US guards will probably eliminate French backcourt. Wemby can't win the game on his own.

Not saying France will beat US. However, I see France milking the frontcourt of Wemby and Gobert to cancel the attacks of the US to the rim. I agree,though, that this US team is really deep. I think France-US game will be a fun game to watch come Olympic time.

[Giannis34GOD]

SSD beat Britain 84-81

https://www.youtube.com/live/9FrksV6bdLo?si=DVg0hLbFrwNPX4uj

[greenarcher]

Australia vs Puerto Rico on Youtube

Early domination by Australia