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  • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post

    It makes sense now but it was a radical idea before like the three point line and shot clock in the early days.

    The PBA will do this to stay relevant, but perhaps these rules or similar radical rules will also get adopted by FIBA and the NBA as the game evolves.

    The PBA had a longer 3 point line in the 90s, longer than FIBA but shorter than the NBA. FIBA then adopted a longer line equivalent to the PBA line.

    The PBA and NBA had 4 quarters before FIBA adopted it.
    three pointers had a lot of sense since it really brings another dimension to basketball - from a under rim, bigmen centric basketball to a more well-rounded sport. it provides what the supposed four point line provides.

    eight-second backcourt violation made alot of sense so since it forces the offensive to bring the ball down as fast as possible.

    a four-quarter game also made a lot of sense since it gives players a needed breather since basketball is a fastpace game - faster the soccer and rugby.

    four point line does not make sense it is already redundant. the reason daw is to discourage the zone defense as if zone defense is a bad thing.
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    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
      three pointers had a lot of sense since it really brings another dimension to basketball - from a under rim, bigmen centric basketball to a more well-rounded sport. it provides what the supposed four point line provides.

      eight-second backcourt violation made alot of sense so since it forces the offensive to bring the ball down as fast as possible.

      a four-quarter game also made a lot of sense since it gives players a needed breather since basketball is a fastpace game - faster the soccer and rugby.

      four point line does not make sense it is already redundant. the reason daw is to discourage the zone defense as if zone defense is a bad thing.
      I have bad memories of Gilas using zone, though. We lost to Indonesia giving up 13-31 from 3, and we zoned that game. Bad defense and bad defensive lineups didn't help either.

      Zone in and of itself is not bad, but when it's too static and we don't rotate to shooters, that's when it becomes an issue.

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      • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

        three pointers had a lot of sense since it really brings another dimension to basketball - from a under rim, bigmen centric basketball to a more well-rounded sport. it provides what the supposed four point line provides.

        eight-second backcourt violation made alot of sense so since it forces the offensive to bring the ball down as fast as possible.

        a four-quarter game also made a lot of sense since it gives players a needed breather since basketball is a fastpace game - faster the soccer and rugby.

        four point line does not make sense it is already redundant. the reason daw is to discourage the zone defense as if zone defense is a bad thing.
        I can foresee a scenario in which a 4point line will be used in the near future. When the lies of Wemby and other aliens gonna dominate the game so much that they are unstoppable within the 3 point line both in offense and defense, the game will be changed such that officials will try to cheapen the 2 point baskets and encourage more ranged shooting to negate the impact of these freaks. It will be the only way in which the short guys can still be relevant in the modern game.

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        • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post

          I can foresee a scenario in which a 4point line will be used in the near future. When the lies of Wemby and other aliens gonna dominate the game so much that they are unstoppable within the 3 point line both in offense and defense, the game will be changed such that officials will try to cheapen the 2 point baskets and encourage more ranged shooting to negate the impact of these freaks. It will be the only way in which the short guys can still be relevant in the modern game.
          Wemby is just a generational talent. Once he leaves the game, what will happen to the four point line? Remember, they did not do that to other 7 footers with better range than Wemby.
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          • My issue is in the modern game, the 3 point has arguably become too powerful. NBA has scoring really ballooned and now they basically changed the rules to allow more defense but if the 3 point shot makes things so much more different than the game in the 90s, what more a 4 point shot?

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            • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
              My issue is in the modern game, the 3 point has arguably become too powerful. NBA has scoring really ballooned and now they basically changed the rules to allow more defense but if the 3 point shot makes things so much more different than the game in the 90s, what more a 4 point shot?
              i'm ok with 4 point line being activated under 2 minutes in regulation and then under 2 minutes again in OT.

              Regardless a 27 foot shot is low percentage, so coaches and players would not chuck a lot of them. Maybe PBA agreed with FIBA to be the guinea pig for this? I'm against PBA implementing this but it's interesting to see season's worth of statistics and analytics with the 4 point line.

              PBA is already one big ass circus, let's make it a spectacle lol.


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              • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                Wemby is just a generational talent. Once he leaves the game, what will happen to the four point line? Remember, they did not do that to other 7 footers with better range than Wemby.
                Our 6-foot-five centers will be inspired shoot from there
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                  • Anong kahibangan itong 4-pt play? Is PBA this desperate to draw fan interest as PBA's popularity has plummeted in recent years? This 4-pt play would further make the PBA brand of play more irrelevant from the FIBA style of play.
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                    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      Anong kahibangan itong 4-pt play? Is PBA this desperate to draw fan interest as PBA's popularity has plummeted in recent years? This 4-pt play would further make the PBA brand of play more irrelevant from the FIBA style of play.
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                      • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                        I have bad memories of Gilas using zone, though. We lost to Indonesia giving up 13-31 from 3, and we zoned that game. Bad defense and bad defensive lineups didn't help either.

                        Zone in and of itself is not bad, but when it's too static and we don't rotate to shooters, that's when it becomes an issue.
                        it's on the team, especially the coach, to adjust and not the game itself. they should know when to use and when not to use the zone.
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                        • You know what, the 4-point line might actually improve the 3-pt percentage.
                          Because all those 3-point misses from far away will no longer count as 3-point attempts. Instead, they will count as 4-point attempts HAHAHAHA GENIUS.

                          (Of course I am kidding; I do not like this 4-point line).

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                          • Personally, I think it’s innovative. Might seem novelty for now but given enough time it might produce some crazy shooters if the 4 point line could be used to its max potential. Right now shooters aren’t able to take advantage, won’t see any effect for at least a decade maybe I think

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                            • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
                              Personally, I think it’s innovative. Might seem novelty for now but given enough time it might produce some crazy shooters if the 4 point line could be used to its max potential. Right now shooters aren’t able to take advantage, won’t see any effect for at least a decade maybe I think
                              it could be either a great innovation or a crazy stupid idea, only time could tell. back in the 80s people were skeptical about the 3 point shot, eventually it became a important part of the game.

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                              • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
                                Personally, I think it’s innovative. Might seem novelty for now but given enough time it might produce some crazy shooters if the 4 point line could be used to its max potential. Right now shooters aren’t able to take advantage, won’t see any effect for at least a decade maybe I think
                                those long bombs beyond 27 feet are only good shots in the dying seconds of every quarter. the addition of four point line is just an encouragement for players to become erratic shooters. besides, with that four point line, the game is much closer to a shotput contest than actual basketball.
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