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  • #76
    Originally posted by Metta View Post

    I believe you're in Socal, what division is his HS team in? The strength of the division matters. There's a player in UE who played for Sierra Canyon (open division), he was basically a benchwarmer in HS but that was not a real indicator of his quality (since his team has NCAA D1 caliber players) and still got offers in the Philippines. I also recall you are familiar with Tuano (very similar to your son, 6'3 barefoot and played big in HS), I believe he won state MVP but that was at a much lower division so he was still kind of under the radar. Basically, this shows where coaches are paying attention.

    If US is the goal, then I think sitting out a year (reclassifying) can be a good idea. Recruitment kicks into gear the summer after junior year, so unless a prospect is a physical specimen, he pretty much has to be starting or a key player of Var by junior year (and definitely by senior year), unless he's with a Sierra Canyon level school. That summer after his junior year is when he has to attend as much exposure camps/tournaments as possible. If he's really serious, it's a good idea to join a really good travel/club team (with college prospects). It can get really expensive but it's pretty much the only way to be able to join elite tournaments, some teams also have relationships with colleges/coaches so their players will have a leg up. 6'3 barefoot can be considered 6'5 in the US so he can be a wing at college level (that should be his goal).

    You mentioned he was thinking of engineering. If he has a high GPA, then targeting high-academic schools is also a viable option. There's several camps in Socal every summer that has coaches in attendance. I think the level of High-Academic camp prospects is a good approximation for the level of the Philippines (plus of course added physicality).

    With the Philippine route, since he's been attending Fil-Nation events, then coaches already have him in their radar.

    Also, take lots of videos (unedited game videos). Once a coach shows interest, they will ask for game videos, so have some prepared where he performs well.
    My son and Tuano have the same trainer. The club team he ran had to be disbanded unfortunately due to the trainer being diagnosed with a medical condition where he was advised to no longer coach games due to the stress. So at the moment my son isn't on a club team. He's just been working out and training.

    My son used to also do some training on the side with a former assistant coach from Camarillo that worked with Jaime Jaquez before and currently works with Jaquez's cousin. Both trainers told my son that he should be targeting US schools because he has the skill. He just needs to be more aggressive. They mentioned possible lower level D1, and this guy wasn't being paid, so I think he really believed it. Up until recently, in my opinion my son looks like a star in practice and training, but in games he looks like a regular guy and is often too passive offensively. He's got to get that figured out. But he is probably the most vocal guy on the court on defense in almost every game, and doesn't mind doing the little things like boxing out, setting screens, and playing defense. Playing pickup looks like it's helping him find his game even more than playing club did.

    His school is Div 3AA in CIF Southern Section. Their school does ok in Division games, but they're horrible in League (Marmonte). The Varsity team has zero League victories in 2 yrs, but has a good record outside of League.

    The coach has been there 3 yrs I believe, but when he started a few players transferred out and a lot of expected Freshmen went to different schools. So its been tough. I do expect this next year to be better though.

    My son has a decent GPA. Not quite 4.0, but close. He shouldn't end up being limited in options due to grades unless it's an elite Ivy League, which i cant afford anyway.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by WinningGuy View Post

      My son and Tuano have the same trainer. The club team he ran had to be disbanded unfortunately due to the trainer being diagnosed with a medical condition where he was advised to no longer coach games due to the stress. So at the moment my son isn't on a club team. He's just been working out and training.

      My son used to also do some training on the side with a former assistant coach from Camarillo that worked with Jaime Jaquez before and currently works with Jaquez's cousin. Both trainers told my son that he should be targeting US schools because he has the skill. He just needs to be more aggressive. They mentioned possible lower level D1, and this guy wasn't being paid, so I think he really believed it. Up until recently, in my opinion my son looks like a star in practice and training, but in games he looks like a regular guy and is often too passive offensively. He's got to get that figured out. But he is probably the most vocal guy on the court on defense in almost every game, and doesn't mind doing the little things like boxing out, setting screens, and playing defense. Playing pickup looks like it's helping him find his game even more than playing club did.

      His school is Div 3AA in CIF Southern Section. Their school does ok in Division games, but they're horrible in League (Marmonte). The Varsity team has zero League victories in 2 yrs, but has a good record outside of League.

      The coach has been there 3 yrs I believe, but when he started a few players transferred out and a lot of expected Freshmen went to different schools. So its been tough. I do expect this next year to be better though.

      My son has a decent GPA. Not quite 4.0, but close. He shouldn't end up being limited in options due to grades unless it's an elite Ivy League, which i cant afford anyway.
      It's good that you have someone that you can use as a barometer which is Tuano (for Philippine level). He was I believe playing mostly 5 in HS but has now transitioned to 3/4. You're also familiar with his high school achievements. That will be what it boils down to, what position the prospect can play at the next level. If he can play guard, the higher his chances (and level gets higher). Even if his team strictly plays him as a 5, find ways that he gets to work on his guard/wing skills. Another player you might have seen is Kenji Duremdes (Orange Country area). Also almost the same size and played 5 in a US HS (who also did well in State playoffs). He has a well-connected dad and was recruited by UST (he's now with Perpetual in the other league NCAA).

      Does he participate in Asian Ball (Japanese-run leagues)? Those are good leagues for asians to get the right mix of quality and at the same time be able to have a chance to dominate (to work on confidence). And if he manages to get included in the North-South game, that is a perfect gauge because most participants are college prospects (a lot of Filam college players are participants). It is not uncommon for prospects to be in at least 3 teams simultaneously: a team that is the highest-level that will accept him (or play up), a team where he has unlimited playing time and then his school team.

      US coaches/scouts who look at prospects purely from schools are biased towards players with awards (all-league, mvp's, etc). Attending camps and getting recruitment help from knowledgeable club teams is almost essential without those awards. Coach recommendations also go a long way so always network.

      High-academic schools although expensive (and most don't offer scholarships) give a lot of grants and other options that make it very affordable. The prospect just has to work harder in terms of applications and requirements. In my opinion, it is worth it.

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      • #78
        Sir WinningGuy, one piece of advice, never let anyone named Josh Reyes coach your son.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by WinningGuy View Post

          My son and Tuano have the same trainer. The club team he ran had to be disbanded unfortunately due to the trainer being diagnosed with a medical condition where he was advised to no longer coach games due to the stress. So at the moment my son isn't on a club team. He's just been working out and training.

          My son used to also do some training on the side with a former assistant coach from Camarillo that worked with Jaime Jaquez before and currently works with Jaquez's cousin. Both trainers told my son that he should be targeting US schools because he has the skill. He just needs to be more aggressive. They mentioned possible lower level D1, and this guy wasn't being paid, so I think he really believed it. Up until recently, in my opinion my son looks like a star in practice and training, but in games he looks like a regular guy and is often too passive offensively. He's got to get that figured out. But he is probably the most vocal guy on the court on defense in almost every game, and doesn't mind doing the little things like boxing out, setting screens, and playing defense. Playing pickup looks like it's helping him find his game even more than playing club did.

          His school is Div 3AA in CIF Southern Section. Their school does ok in Division games, but they're horrible in League (Marmonte). The Varsity team has zero League victories in 2 yrs, but has a good record outside of League.

          The coach has been there 3 yrs I believe, but when he started a few players transferred out and a lot of expected Freshmen went to different schools. So its been tough. I do expect this next year to be better though.

          My son has a decent GPA. Not quite 4.0, but close. He shouldn't end up being limited in options due to grades unless it's an elite Ivy League, which i cant afford anyway.
          If your kid is legit borderline D1, he could keep targeting the US and if that doesn't happen for whatever reason, just declare interest in the UAAP last minute. Teams should be lining up if he is at that level. A legit issue though is many filams underestimate the UAAP. It aint easy for sure, I compare it to D2 level.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

            If your kid is legit borderline D1, he could keep targeting the US and if that doesn't happen for whatever reason, just declare interest in the UAAP last minute. Teams should be lining up if he is at that level. A legit issue though is many filams underestimate the UAAP. It aint easy for sure, I compare it to D2 level.
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            I don't see my son as legit D1, but his trainer thinks he has a chance, while for some of the older kids (that now just got into college) were told a year or two ago that they were probably D2 or D3 prospects, and they ended up D3.

            But the trainer is not at his games, he only see him in training. So there is a disconnect there.

            My son holds his own well against the college D3 players that train with him and he doesn't look as athleticilly developed as them. He just started consistently weight training about two months ago and he's barely starting to see hints of muscles in his upper body, but still needs to lose weight. He's 224 lbs. The college kids are pretty lean and muscular.

            This year is probably the year where we all find out what he's got in him. He does play water polo too, so that may be hurting his development. His mom loves the sport and he is close friends with the kids on that team, so doesn't want to abandon them. He said he probably won't play water polo next season, but I wish he didn't choose to join this season. But oh well...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by live_evil View Post
              Sir WinningGuy, one piece of advice, never let anyone named Josh Reyes coach your son.
              This is just bad advice. Part of the reason why Bayla and Konov had teams lining up to recruit them is because of there FIBA experience. Teams got to see a ton of film and the kids performing in high leverage situations plus intel on how the kids are as people.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                This is just bad advice. Part of the reason why Bayla and Konov had teams lining up to recruit them is because of there FIBA experience. Teams got to see a ton of film and the kids performing in high leverage situations plus intel on how the kids are as people.
                I think it was meant to be a joke. At least that's the way I took it.

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                • #83
                  obviously, teams and coaches nowadays preferred 2-way players and can play multiple positions as well.

                  also if one of the aspiration is to play in FIBA tournaments moving forward, addressing all possible weaknesses is a must

                  i don't want to use that "10,000 hour" principle that I borrowed on behalf of Sir Metta for this discussion,

                  because I assumed that the kids are already in the mid-way journey of their basketball career.

                  it should really starts in the 6,7 and 8 yr. old to reach that elite level/Olympic level

                  we already learned this as per different interviews to those athletes nowadays.

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                  • #84
                    I know this wont happen for many reasons, among which the toxicity surrounding the Josh Reyes coaching spell but my wish for Gilas is to forgo results in favor of allowing the best prospects to enter the Gilas program as early as possible. If that means getting 2-3 kids with zero practice but great pedigree, then go do that. At the end of the day, I want our youth program to be a feeder for the seniors team. I dont want a redux of the Nieto led WC team where a total of zero players are now Gilas prospects.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                      This is just bad advice. Part of the reason why Bayla and Konov had teams lining up to recruit them is because of there FIBA experience. Teams got to see a ton of film and the kids performing in high leverage situations plus intel on how the kids are as people.
                      Good thing the Father is intelligent enough to know it was meant as a joke. Better take that stick that's stuck up your ass out.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by live_evil View Post

                        Good thing the Father is intelligent enough to know it was meant as a joke. Better take that stick that's stuck up your ass out.
                        Dude youve literally been warned multiple times to stop wishing that Chot Reyes and Al Panlilio would die. Youre a bit of a psycho hence no benefit of the doubt.

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                        • #87
                          It will really be nice to read from honest "investigative jounalists" who moonlight as sportswriters as to why joke seyer keeps the youth coaching chair mighty bonded to his as*. Some mysteries are good stories, even as blind items.

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                          • #88
                            If anyone wants to do some scouting UAAP u16 is coming

                            Xavy Nunag, Mariana Lopa, and Marvin Bienvenida are set to return to the UAAP, continuing their roles as key figures in the UAAP Basketball Commissioners’ Office for the 87th season of the league. This marks the third consecutive season for Nunag as the UAAP Basketball Commissioner, while Lopa and Bienvenida will serve as deputies overseeing […]

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                            • #89
                              Sir Sikatrix,

                              we really do hope that HS games both for boys and girls alongside the 3x3 tourney should be televise in some way to gave us basketball fans an opportunity to watch those kids play on a regular basis because as much as we want to go the venues, we as an ordinary dudes cannot afford it all the time due to the fact that we also had commitments for our respective work places

                              other socmeds account are good options but watching it on free channels(but with subscription) is still the best thing

                              dead spots are still a major issue here in PHI esp. if you are assigned in some remote areas

                              Jr. MPBL use to have live games during weekends @ cha. 98 but for unknown reason it ain't that way this season.

                              oh dear

                              that is why.

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                              • #90
                                Good thing this promising batch won't be handled by that coach anymore.

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