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  • Originally posted by xenoloxy View Post

    I think KQ's best service to gilas is his shooting (a role more like the one he had with SGA) and playmaking. we shouldn't rely on him to create his own shot at least not yet
    Yeah.
    KQ is no go-to-guy in Asian level basketball. Not yet, at least for now. With Gilas, you have a Brownlee who is your go-to-guy while the other players will be a offensive threats so as to prevent the opposition from focusing its defense on Brownlee. I think KQ's role with Gilas would be almost similar as his role with Strong Group Athletics when that team played in the Dubai invitational tournament early this year. I think he was sort of a spot-up shooter for Strong Group.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

      UP already beat La Salle in the first game of FilOil with Philips and Agunnane, 89-77. UP put Torculas/Belmonte on Philips if Agunnane is on the floor. When La Salle paired Philips with Agunnane, UP just clogged the lanes and dared both of them to shoot. Udodo seems to match up really well against Philips compared to Alter or Stevens.
      Actually, and ironically, fat Gani Stevens from UE in S85 matched up well against Phillips, which is a big reason why UE beat DLSU twice that season.

      Mike P.’s lack of footwork and lower body strength on the post gets exposed when he’s the one who has to score against players in the post. This is why Udodo seems to defend him better than Diouf did. Mike’s high center of gravity and thin frame make him easy to move if he’s matched up against a chunkier player who knows how to throw their weight the smart way.

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      • Philips has high hips so he wont have a strong core naturally . His build wont allow for that

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        • Originally posted by Tuck View Post
          Philips has high hips so he wont have a strong core naturally . His build wont allow for that
          Alter theoretically also has the body type that can check Mike but unfortunately, his defensive and rebound IQ needs a lot of work. Gani has that over Alter and that’s what will guarantee him minutes despite Alter being the more impressive physical specimen and having a more promising shooting touch both outside and at the FT line.

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          • Originally posted by Rds View Post

            From the few minutes that I saw I would say driving is his weakest move. It would be effective against a traditional PF but for someone who guards the perimeter I dont think it would be a challenge if you are also strong enough to handle KQs movement. I would rate Policarpio a smoother driver than KQ. KQ is just stronger, a bit taller and has good 3 pt shooting. From what Ive heard Lopez has trouble keeping up with Poli in the perimeter but apparently not KQ.

            Im glad KQ is finally able to score over Alarcon. It would have been embarassing for the 6’5 MVP being stopped by 6 foot Alarcon. But it seems he found a match against Lopez. This will be a problem.

            The one big question remaining is how will Mike P impact this matchup. With MP, La Salle can rotate him and Aguanne without almost no loss on defense and rebounding. Will Alter or Gani be effective matching up against MP. For now I will favor La Salle because they have the best defensive center rotation in the league. Alter is not bad. So let’s see when they match up at full power.
            In the preseason, wins and losses should both include lessons learned. And for UP’s win, they may have unlocked something with respect to defending KQ. Frankly, I’m tired of using that Alarcon and Torres tactic. Torculas and Lopez should be the one taking KQ on. Alarcon and Torres should instead focus on wreaking havoc on DLSU’s more suspect ballhandlers like Dungo and Policarpio.

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            • Originally posted by Tuck View Post
              Philips has high hips so he wont have a strong core naturally . His build wont allow for that
              Rodman says hi. What he needs most for defending the post is to learn leverage and positioning. He has fast enough feet to beat bigger guys to spots.

              If ever he becomes Fiba eligible, we would need his type of big defender that has quicker (than pinoys) feet. But he has to have better defensive IQ and not rely on athleticism. That's why it's important for him to get reps against bigger, faster, stronger.

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              • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                UP has to work extra hard defensively in season 87 because Diouf is no longer around to bail out their mistakes. On a different note, I don't understand why Gani Stevens is still in the UAAP. His game is a lot more suited in the NCAA where slow-footed centers are still a thing.
                Stevens is a classic football-player (not soccer) turned basketball player. If we add up all his basketball-game experience, it's not much at all.

                I think he looks slow because most of the time he doesn't have proper positioning. I won't be surprised if he eventually develops as an effective big. The problem is with a loaded UP team, he won't have a chance to expedite his game reps in college.

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                • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                  Rodman says hi. What he needs most for defending the post is to learn leverage and positioning. He has fast enough feet to beat bigger guys to spots.

                  If ever he becomes Fiba eligible, we would need his type of big defender that has quicker (than pinoys) feet. But he has to have better defensive IQ and not rely on athleticism. That's why it's important for him to get reps against bigger, faster, stronger.
                  idk but dennis rodman had a long torso which is why he was strong. Having long legs like Kai will always make it harder to be as strong

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                  • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                    Stevens is a classic football-player (not soccer) turned basketball player. If we add up all his basketball-game experience, it's not much at all.

                    I think he looks slow because most of the time he doesn't have proper positioning. I won't be surprised if he eventually develops as an effective big. The problem is with a loaded UP team, he won't have a chance to expedite his game reps in college.
                    Stevens is a situational big. He's effective against traditional UAAP teams with slow and lumbering bigs but would be ineffective against La Salle's FIBA-sized lineup. UP is correct loading up on players because you need lineup versatility in today's game.

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                    • Maybe unpopular opinion but I like these teams loading up on recruits. Watching the filoil the size, athleticism, skills of teams. looks like what you would see in NCAA D2, UP at some points was fielding team of starting 5 of guys around 6’4+ sometimes.

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                      • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                        Stevens is a situational big. He's effective against traditional UAAP teams with slow and lumbering bigs but would be ineffective against La Salle's FIBA-sized lineup. UP is correct loading up on players because you need lineup versatility in today's game.

                        I think he’s much better than given credit for maybe it’s because i watched him live twice when he was with UE . The game when they beat dlsu in araneta he was amazing at boxing out and screening while contesting without fouling. He matched up well with Dlsu’s bigs then given i don’t think philips played .

                        He had a good pick and roll partner and with Villegas spacing the floor he had good enough hands to finish.

                        The second best player in the uaap is probably Philips and it’s not fair to compare the other local bigs to him. Stevens and Alter can hold their own against anyone else .


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                        • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
                          Maybe unpopular opinion but I like these teams loading up on recruits. Watching the filoil the size, athleticism, skills of teams. looks like what you would see in NCAA D2, UP at some points was fielding team of starting 5 of guys around 6’4+ sometimes.
                          even some D1 teams aren't as tall considering there are like 300 of them,

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                          • Originally posted by Tuck View Post

                            idk but dennis rodman had a long torso which is why he was strong. Having long legs like Kai will always make it harder to be as strong
                            rodman.webp

                            Hips are high but he's got thick legs that doesn't make it that noticeable. Pistons era shorts show it more than baggy Bulls era.

                            Rodman and Pingris are good examples of how leverage enables lighter players to match up against heavier opponents. Use quick feet to get to positions then use leverage and hustle.

                            And we're talking about Mike P not Kai. Kai doesn't have the necessary quick feet to compensate for the long(er) legs so he will always be at a disadvantage.

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                            • Originally posted by xenoloxy View Post

                              even some D1 teams aren't as tall considering there are like 300 of them,
                              Yeah though the athleticism, skill and build of D1 players at least those that are offered scholarships and actually play are different. Even Dalph’s team isn’t that high D1 but they would be pretty strong in the uaap, guards are pinoy height but the athleticism and body types are completely on a different level

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                              • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                                Stevens is a situational big. He's effective against traditional UAAP teams with slow and lumbering bigs but would be ineffective against La Salle's FIBA-sized lineup. UP is correct loading up on players because you need lineup versatility in today's game.
                                I for one believe there is a case of "loading up too much." Happens all the time in the nba. UP having only 1 chip despite having a loaded team for several years is telling.

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