UAAP season 87

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

No idea how much they got QMB for but I would have probably allocated that $$ towards better guards/wings. I would have thrown everything at Bahay. They probably could survive with Alter/Stevens/ whoever plus their best FSA ( they have tons)

Also maybe upgrade their coaching staff?

They added Bayla to somewhat address the wing issue, but he's just being utilized as a perimeter defender with a very limited playmaking role. Bayla's lack of shooting also kills UP's spacing and he's basically unplayable with Lopez on the court.

[EvanNelle24]

Naka enrol paba si KQ sa La Salle?

[Tuck]

Naka enrol paba si KQ sa La Salle?

nope not this term

[cha34]

i don’t think you watched or played HS basketball here in the philippines . There’s almost no shooters here locally at that level.

They are developed if anything. KQ wasn’t exactly a shooter coming out of NU. I think this was also a debate during the time of isaac go and admu. People were praising tab for making his guys shoot 3’s. Ikeh was shooting it’s i think it should be the other way around it’s like 80% on the player and 20% on the coach . Put in the reps and confidence from there playing time .

Also Ricci was never the 3rd best player with Jeron he was barely getting PT with Jeron there. It was only when he graduated he got burn.

Let me make this clearer (and yes, a bit more blunt):

First off, that claim is just plain wrong. Saying there’s “no good shooter” implies every local player is equally bad at shooting, with no one standing out—one of the most mind-numbing takes I’ve seen in a while. lol.

Next, you might wonder: how did Topex manage to become the "better" 3 point shooting, then? Two reasons: 1) He didn’t restrict himself to local recruiting. 2) He actually developed and encouraged his players—exactly the point I made before, in case that didn’t sink in.

Both of these things are replicable. They are also completely within UP’s control. It’s not about the lack of talent or some lack of resources; they have everything they need to improve but just aren’t doing it.

Also, I don’t think you grasped the point (again). Ricci’s performance in DLSU and now in the PBA vs. his lackluster stint in UP is a glaring example of UP’s serious talent mismanagement. Hope that finally gets the message across. lmao.

[Tuck]

Let me make this clearer (and yes, a bit more blunt):

First off, that claim is just plain wrong. Saying there’s “no good shooter” implies every local player is equally bad at shooting, with no one standing out—one of the most mind-numbing takes I’ve seen in a while. lol.

Next, you might wonder: how did Topex manage to become the "better" 3 point shooting, then? Two reasons: 1) He didn’t restrict himself to local recruiting. 2) He actually developed and encouraged his players—exactly the point I made before, in case that didn’t sink in.

Both of these things are replicable. They are also completely within UP’s control. It’s not about the lack of talent or some lack of resources; they have everything they need to improve but just aren’t doing it.

Also, I don’t think you grasped the point (again). Ricci’s performance in DLSU and now in the PBA vs. his lackluster stint in UP is a glaring example of UP’s serious talent mismanagement. Hope that finally gets the message across. lmao.

Good shooter in HS that would carry over to college right away, Go ahead and name them. It’s rare. If it was easy UP who has the most money would have done it. If it was easy they’d probably get you as a scout. Projecting shooting is the hardest thing to predict. Just watch an nba draft and see how many questions are raised about that . It’s easy to say recruit shooters when it’s almost a coin toss if they develop. HS ball is just trying to physical the other team more times than not.

Local HS players straight to collage. How many were snipers out of the gate . You’d be lucky to name 2 per year .

Topex doesn’t press as much . The reason why players here also shoot like trash is because you can’t get a feel for the ball because you’re running on both ends. It’s harder to pace yourself. It’s clear you haven’t played in any organized system.

Players get better at shooting not because of a head coach. Players don’t get magically better if the coach changes. They get better by individual skill work ( which isn’t the job of a head coach)

Again isn’t that also maybe really his level. Not winning a championship as a second option ( next to the uaap goat) You can argue it was santi who was the second best player. They won a championship with him as like the 4th option . Hes one of those players who plays better in a transition more open game like what dlsu had then and what the pba has now.

[cha34]

Good shooter in HS that would carry over to college right away, Go ahead and name them. It’s rare. If it was easy UP who has the most money would have done it. If it was easy they’d probably get you as a scout. Projecting shooting is the hardest thing to predict. Just watch an nba draft and see how many questions are raised about that . It’s easy to say recruit shooters when it’s almost a coin toss if they develop. HS ball is just trying to physical the other team more times than not.

Local HS players straight to collage. How many were snipers out of the gate . You’d be lucky to name 2 per year .

Topex doesn’t press as much . The reason why players here also shoot like trash is because you can’t get a feel for the ball because you’re running on both ends. It’s harder to pace yourself. It’s clear you haven’t played in any organized system.

Players get better at shooting not because of a head coach. Players don’t get magically better if the coach changes. They get better by individual skill work ( which isn’t the job of a head coach)

Again isn’t that also maybe really his level. Not winning a championship as a second option ( next to the uaap goat) You can argue it was santi who was the second best player. They won a championship with him as like the 4th option . Hes one of those players who plays better in a transition more open game like what dlsu had then and what the pba has now.

Hold on—are you actually still clinging to the idea that there are no good shooters? That’s a spectacularly flawed take. Basic logic, my friend: someone will always stand out as better than others. Which part of that concept are you struggling with? It’s not like you need names to grasp this simple point. The Pareto Principle which applies to all aspects of life is in play here. I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out, but since you seem to need a lesson, here you go, buddy.

The Ricci point went way over your head, I see. The only point there is there's a dip in Ricci's performance between his time in UP vs. elsewhere. You're still talking about who the 3rd best player was? Lmao.

[Silent Killer]

We’re having trouble to produce a dead eye shooter for number of years now

[Blueorgreen22]

Did the uaap purposely made the schedule of dlsu to make them end the elims early for gilas? Is kq the only one? Will he miss uaap games?

[Silent Killer]

Did the uaap purposely made the schedule of dlsu to make them end the elims early for gilas? Is kq the only one? Will he miss uaap games?

he won’t miss any games.. and yes only KQ that’s included in the gilas pool..and yes they have plans to have a gilas break

[Metta]

Guys need to be clear when they mention the word Shooter. There's a world of difference between a Pure Shooter and guys who could shoot.

Sure it can be argued that the Philippines hasn't been producing pure shooters ala-Caidic, Ritualo, etc. but to say that there is no one that can shoot is stupid. Guys like Cansino, Oczon, Abbarientos, SJ, Jerom, etc all came from Philippine HS. There's a steady pipeline of guys with their shooting caliber. Whether they have the other skills to be able to compete in college is another thing. But then again, it's rare that HS guys immediately are ready for college, majority needs developing.

UP has Chico and Fortea who were pretty good shooters (and the skill never really goes away, it's the last skill an old player loses) and JD and Alarcon ain't bad either. As far as pure shooter goes, maybe Chico has it in him. What UP doesn't have are bigs who can shoot. This is the reason why their size advantage isn't fully utilized, it's a spacing problem. Add to that their fringe shooters prefer to shoot off the dribble instead of being the catch and shoot types which limit ball movement.

Shooting percentages in the Philippines are bad because of what the defense is allowed. Add to that the other reasons I've mentioned countless times in other threads...shooting is all about confidence and repetition. Elite shooters practice shooting hundreds of shots a day. Pinoy kids growing up do not have courts that they can shoot hundreds of shots a day like kids from other countries.

[Crustacean]

Did the uaap purposely made the schedule of dlsu to make them end the elims early for gilas? Is kq the only one? Will he miss uaap games?

No. Eliminations really should have ended November 16 for everyone, schedule just got changed because of the postponement of games due to Typhoon Kristine. So there will still be one last game on November 23 at Fil-Oil Arena. UAAP really intended to take a 2-week break for the Fiba Asia Cup qualifiers, and Final Four will resume in December.

[cha34]

After reading the comments, I see where the confusion is.

Some people define “good” shooters by international standards, but I’m only comparing players locally.

You can always spot players who are stronger at one skill than others. It’s rare to find someone great at everything, and often, players focus on one skill if it’s hard for others to stop.

The main point is that, among all local players, some will always stand out in shooting.

So, if your team has those players, it makes you the better shooting team—by local standards.

[thatweirdguy]

They lost Bahay because they decided to bend the rules to have JD play another year.

Just look back at the articles and interviews in early 2023 when Bahay initially committed to UP. Everyone assumed that JD no longer had any playing years left after Season 86, even Bahay himself.

I honestly think UP’s plans changed when they lost a second straight finals series. JD would have probably moved on, and they would have been able to keep Bahay, and Remogat stays in UE.

Bahay would probably extend their championship window even longer. Yeah they messed up by having Cagulangan return for one more season. But he could have served as his mentor and drop one of the worse performing guards but I guess Bahay was sold the idea that he would be handed the keys from day 1.

[cha34]

Theres a lid on the rim. DLSU can't make any jumpshot. They came back from double digits by out rebounding NU.

[Crustacean]

Theres a lid on the rim. DLSU can't make any jumpshot. They came back from double digits by out rebounding NU.

And this is why I find all the talk here about DLSU being a heavy favorite to repeat funny. It is so premature.

Credit to NU, but honestly DLSU deserved to lose if they decide to run a line-up of Dungo, Marasigan, Konov, Macalalag and Gonzales. LOL