2024 FIBA Asia U18 Championship

[Metta]

Correct.
How many former USA U-16/17 & U-18/19 team standouts that didn't get to play for NBA-select USA senior team in the Olympics, FIBA World Cup or FIBA-Americas. In fact there are are No. of college standouts that get to play for all-amateur USA senior team during the 80's (pros were not yet allowed to play in FIBA competitions), but never came close to playing for any NBA-select USA teams in the 90's.

I remember point guard Leon Wood was a standout of the gold medalist team USA with legend Michael Jordan in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. But Leon Wood was an averaged player in the NBA & never came close to reaching the level of the likes of John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Kevin Johnson, Garry Payton, Penny Hardaway.

The depth of talent in USA basketball senior level is just too great, especially among players 6-foot-3 & below, that making it to the elite level would be very very hard.

It just shows how difficult it is to have a consistent roster from juniors to seniors in a very decentralized landscape like the US. If you go by math, in high school basketball there are about 50,000 players to choose from for the national youth teams. Even if you just take 1% of that, you still have to predict who among 500 kids will become the best 12 when they eventually become men. And all those 500 will have a shot at becoming part of that elite 12 because the environment is decentralized. Then you factor in the outliers...guys like Ja Morant or White who just suddenly popped up from nowhere and were never in that 500 pool.

China and countries like them with a centralized/long-term program has a consistent roster because after they narrow down their pool really early, they stick with that pool and give those chosen ones all the advantages. Those advantages further reinforces them into becoming much better than the rest who are not part of the pool.

[Sikatrix]

What's gonna happen here now that Andy is in Canada?

[lem0nadi]

What's gonna happen here now that Andy is in Canada?

He will still play for U18, I think. He just posted a countdown on the U18 tournament in his story in IG recently so safe to say he is looking forward to play.

[JAMSKIE]

He will still play for U18, I think. He just posted a countdown on the U18 tournament in his story in IG recently so safe to say he is looking forward to play.

Josh Reyes badly needs Gemao to save his ass in the coming Asian U-18 tournament. Let's see if Josh U-18 team's vaunted chemistry/cohesion can save his ass in the coming tournament which is about 2 weeks away.

[live_evil]

Cohesion is a myth with that imbecile at the helm.

[WinningGuy]

Cohesion is kind of a cop out. It sounds more like an excuse because there's no money. But they don't want to actually say it.

They don't need the whole team to remain the same for cohesion. They just need to keep enough so that any new people can be plugged in and have the support of many that already know the system.

[TheRodster21]

Cohesion is kind of a cop out. It sounds more like an excuse because there's no money. But they don't want to actually say it.

They don't need the whole team to remain the same for cohesion. They just need to keep enough so that any new people can be plugged in and have the support of many that already know the system.

I always figured this was the case, clearly I imagine they know the problems but they can’t do anything about it. I honestly respect the coach for being able to be a scapegoat and take the heat for the teams failings when it’s just symptom of the real problem

[BJ_Reloaded]

Sir Mets,
cc: Sir Jams

that is why I highly doubt the likes of Jalen Green, Dylan Haroer, JJ Mandaquit, Kamaka Hepa and that Fil-Can kid( I forgot the name)

who all played for Team USA and Team Canada U teams.

will be selected in the Senior Team moving forward because of so many big fish in that particular category (6'2 to 6'6 level)

unless they had that Jayson Tatum, MJ, Ant-Man, Jaylen Brown, Jalen Brunson or Tyrese Haliburton level.

even Leila Phelia who recently played for Womens Team last year(?)

if she would be called for another tour of duty.

excluding Jalen Green and Leila Phelia who's in their mid-20's

the rest had a strong chance to be part beyond the 2028 cycle.

unless they've already call it quit as far as playing for any national teams are concern

and concentrate more on their respective D1 schools and club teams respectively.

[lem0nadi]

I believe the situation of Christian Stanhardinger could be similar to that of JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa. C-Stan played for Germany's youth team, but FIBA cleared him to play for Gilas back in 2017, despite it being clearly stated that he did not obtain his Philippine passport before the age of 16, which made him ineligible to be considered a local.

I wonder if JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa will be considered locals since they obtained their passports before the age of 16, or if they will also take the slot of a naturalized player because they already played for the USA.

[BJ_Reloaded]

I believe the situation of Christian Stanhardinger could be similar to that of JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa. C-Stan played for Germany's youth team, but FIBA cleared him to play for Gilas back in 2017, despite it being clearly stated that he did not obtain his Philippine passport before the age of 16, which made him ineligible to be considered a local.

I wonder if JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa will be considered locals since they obtained their passports before the age of 16, or if they will also take the slot of a naturalized player because they already played for the USA.

Sir Lemon,

I've already posted this before.

there's a provision about changing of allegiance before turning in age 23

obtaining passport before turning 16 well, "may laban tayo"

it all depends now to kids, it's parents and both NSA's.

FIBA Internal Regulation – Book 3(rev. 26 March 22)
Chapter 1: Eligibility, National Status and Availability of Players
19 a. A player who has transferred as a young player according to articles 3-74 may not choose to play for the national team of any country other than the country from which the player transferred, until the player has reached the age of twenty-three(23).
b. The Secretary General may, in his sole discretion, partially or entirely lift the restriction of 3.19.a in exceptional circumstances, which may include, without limitation, the following:
ii. The player had two (2) or more nationalities (and was in possession of the relevant passports) at the time of the initial transfer.

Players with Previous Registrations
74. If the young player’s proposed international transfer is linked to basketball, FIBA shall take the following critieria into account when making a decision on the letter of clearance(no administrative fee will be charged):
e. The young player, the young player’s parents, the new club and the new National Member Federation shall declare in writing that (i) they have read and understood the conditions of Article 3-19 and that (ii) until the player’s twenty third (23^rd) birthday, the player shall make himself or herself available for the national team of the country from which the player transferred, unless otherwise decided by the Secretary General as per article 3-19 and if necessary, for the preparation time as well as for the training camps provided that they do not interfere with school activities

[JAMSKIE]

I believe the situation of Christian Stanhardinger could be similar to that of JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa. C-Stan played for Germany's youth team, but FIBA cleared him to play for Gilas back in 2017, despite it being clearly stated that he did not obtain his Philippine passport before the age of 16, which made him ineligible to be considered a local.

I wonder if JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa will be considered locals since they obtained their passports before the age of 16, or if they will also take the slot of a naturalized player because they already played for the USA.

If JJ Mangaquit & Kamaka Hepa obtained Philippine passport before their respective 16th birthdays, they will be considered legit local Filipinos players by FIBA. This despite Mandaquit already played for the US national youth team/s. Mandaquit will just need clearance from USA Basketball, which is the national basketball federation of the US, for him to play for the Philippine senior team as a local player.

The thing is, FIBA has even become more lenient in its rules as of late. Dati kasi a player gets to play for only 1 national team in the senior level. But now there are players who were allowed by FIBA to play for another national team in the senior level despite already playing for a national team in the senior level. The prime example is former NBA player Ben Gordon who both represented USA & Great Britain national teams in the senior level. Gordon was considered as a local player for both USA & Great Britain national teams.

[Athrunzala]

The thing is, FIBA has even become more lenient in its rules as of late.

They are only lenient to Western nations, but not to the Philippines.

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, is it really confirmed that Kamaka Hepa is a Philippine passport holder prior to his 16th b-day?
I would really be excited to hear that Hepa is FIBA eligible to play for Gilas as a local.

[lem0nadi]

Yeah, I think FIBA is more lenient towards developing countries such as the Bahamas (Eric Gordon), Chinese Taipei (where their former naturalized player became local), Indonesia (Jawato), South Sudan? (not sure), and Great Britain, as you mentioned.

Also I just saw that Ben Gordon played for US in the Pan-American games, was that a FIBA-handled tournament?

Having JJ Mandaquit and Kamaka Hepa with Gilas would make us a powerhouse country, a lot stronger. I think it would be unfair to other countries, especially in the Asia region. To even rub salt into the wound for other countries, they would play as locals.

Although we were also a powerhouse back in 2017, C-Stan was not a legitimate standout who played in the US. Even if he was, he still got a slot as a naturalized player, which minimized Gilas' firepower since they could have fielded Andray Blatche had C-Stan been eligible as a local.

I do hope SMC could use their power that is abused in PBA though.

[lem0nadi]

Gilas U-18 are in Inspire already, with Andy. The only added player that I know is Jayden Jones.

Looks like no Justin Hunter already.

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