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  • Originally posted by Metta View Post

    Inhale. Forget Reyes for a moment. Exhale. And then read my post again.

    If you still don't understand what I'm trying to say, then kudos to you.
    You can't exclude Reyes because he is the coach of this team XD.

    Please understand what is being talk about first.

    You won't see a statement here about forcing players to the team that are not available.

    I don't even know where you got the issue of the availability, lol. That was not even being talk about here.​

    Kudos to you too.
    Last edited by lem0nadi; 08-11-2024, 04:11 AM.

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    • The question: Why certain players (in particular Daep & Borja as well as a few Fim-ams) were left out when these players can improve the composition of the team, is with the assumption that those players are available & willing to play for the U-18. Otherwise if those players are unavailable or are not willing to play, then such question is moot & academic. Simple as that.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fWs0u_zNmw&t=308s&pp=ygUmQmF0YW5nIEdpbGFz IFUtMTggdGVhbSBieSB6ZXJvIGJ1Y2tldHM%3D

        "Si James Sanderson sa Under-17 pa lang hindi na yan kinuha kasi gusto ni Josh Reyes panatilihin yung naglaro sa Under-16".

        Coach Josh Reyes obviously wants to preserve the chemistry of his team that is why he doesn't accommodate new players to his team even if such new player/s have very good potentials.
        Last edited by JAMSKIE; 08-11-2024, 04:55 AM.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          The question: Why certain players (in particular Daep & Borja as well as a few Fim-ams) were left out when these players can improve the composition of the team, is with the assumption that those players are available & willing to play for the U-18. Otherwise if those players are unavailable or are not willing to play, then such question is moot & academic. Simple as that.
          Exactly.

          And like I said, if Big Cat did not mention the situation of the Perps boys, nobody would know about the school prohibiting them angle. It should open people's minds about the possibility of things transpiring behind closed doors that they absolutely know nothing about.

          Player availability is one thing majority of casuals fail to be open-minded about. Most of the time, you never hear about players who have minor injuries and beg off, other forces prohibiting them or important personal schedule conflicts.

          It's laughable how people are quick to criticize coaches for benching or cutting players. There could be a myriad of legitimate reasons.

          A good example that none of the casuals would even remotely know is that a certain player wasn't playing for his team because he's been having facial-repair surgery. So many things never get publicized.
          Last edited by Metta; 08-11-2024, 05:04 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Metta View Post

            Exactly.

            And like I said, if Big Cat did not mention the situation of the Perps boys, nobody would know about the school prohibiting them angle. It should open people's minds about the possibility of things transpiring behind closed doors that they absolutely know nothing about.

            Player availability is one thing majority of casuals fail to be open-minded about. Most of the time, you never hear about players who have minor injuries and beg off, other forces prohibiting them or important personal schedule conflicts.

            It's laughable how people are quick to criticize coaches for benching or cutting players. There could be a myriad of legitimate reasons.

            A good example that none of the casuals would even remotely know is that a certain player wasn't playing because he's been having facial-repair surgery. So many things never get publicized.


            But nobody in this thread mentioned forcing a player's inclusion in the team when the player is unavailable. So, what’s your point?

            We were discussing the players who are available but have not been given a chance. You were the one who introduced the player availability issue, lol.

            If you can respond to a message in this thread about a player being included in the lineup despite stating that they are unavailable, then your point would be valid.

            Other than that, nobody is discussing the player availability issue. It’s more about the coach not putting the best talent available on the field. Simple as that.

            You agreeing with him pretty much contradicts your point.​​

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            • Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post



              But nobody in this thread mentioned forcing a player's inclusion in the team when the player is unavailable. So, what’s your point?

              We were discussing the players who are available but have not been given a chance. You were the one who introduced the player availability issue, lol.

              If you can respond to a message in this thread about a player being included in the lineup despite stating that they are unavailable, then your point would be valid.

              Other than that, nobody is discussing the player availability issue. It’s more about the coach not putting the best talent available on the field. Simple as that.

              You agreeing with him pretty much contradicts your point.​​
              So you're not arguing for the inclusion of the Perpetual boys and the Filam boys? I explicitly asked from my very first post which players are being neglected even if they are superior players. And the answer I got was the Perps boys and the Filam boys.

              Who are these much superior players that are available are you talking about?

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                Otherwise if those players are unavailable or are not willing to play, then such question is moot & academic. Simple as that.
                That is why I agree with Jamskie. It's been my point from the very beginning.

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                • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                  So you're not arguing for the inclusion of the Perpetual boys and the Filam boys? I explicitly asked from my very first post which players are being neglected even if they are superior players. And the answer I got was the Perps boys and the Filam boys.

                  Who are these much superior players that are available are you talking about?
                  I was arguing for their inclusion because I know they are available lmao.

                  You were the one who started the argument about their availability when the players have no issue about it lol.

                  Daep and Aries did not get invited again for missing the practice because of their commitment but other than that they were available. Thus, we are questioning why they were left off the lineup because of it.

                  I have really no idea when did I kept forcing them to get on the lineup while disregarding their commitment.

                  I even used James Sanderson's situation back in the U17 WC when he was available and looking forward but Reyes' decided to choose the inferior players citing chemistry.

                  So where do you see the disregarding player availability here? You basically assumed that I was putting them into the lineup not thinking about their commitment when there is literally proof that some of the did not just get invited again despite being available.

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                  • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                    That is why I agree with Jamskie. It's been my point from the very beginning.
                    Which is valid. LMAO.

                    But you keep insisting that I disregard their availability without knowing that they are available.

                    It was about having the team improved by putting the better players that are available. Thus, if they are not available, end of the discussion.

                    The Perp Boys are available which is why they are getting the inclusion talks.

                    James Sanderson was available in the U17 WC but was sent home because of the chemistry thing, which was the issue against Josh Reyes. You were literally acting as his guardian angel even though it is his fault, LOL.

                    Until you made a statement questioning the players' availability when in the first place, they are available.

                    LOL.


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                    • As what Zero Buckets had said in his youtube channel (which I posted a while ago), James Sanderson wasn't picked for the U-17 team becoz coach Josh wanted to preserve the chemistry of his U-16 team of last year. I don't know how good this Sanderson kid is, but if he can get close to the skill level of Andy Gemao or Kiefer Alas (who couldn't play in next month's Asia U-18 tournament becoz of injury), then I think he will be an upgrade to some members of the U-18 team, especially that Kiefer Alas isn't available becoz of injury.

                      Then as Zero Buckets mentioned, there are two goood size players from Ateneo de Cebu (one of them is a 6-foot-6 natural small forward) that are also good prospects. Na delay lang daw sila ng kunti sa availability with the U-18 team becoz they had to play in the NBTC, but they were not considered in the U-18 pool anymore. Of course I don't know how accurate Zero Bucket's information are.

                      Minsan kasi accommodating 2 or 3 new quality players in the team could make a difference eh.

                      Nag champion kaya yung team USA sa Paris Olympics if for instance Lebron James & Kevin Durant weren't in the team? This to think that there are lots lots of talent in USA basketball.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post

                        I was arguing for their inclusion because I know they are available lmao.
                        You know. Okay.

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                        • All these questions about skill, height, and availability are actually useless because no matter what happens the coach is a complete imbecile who has absolutely no business coaching our national team.
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                          • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                            All these questions about skill, height, and availability are actually useless because no matter what happens the coach is a complete imbecile who has absolutely no business coaching our national team.
                            Worse, it’s also obvious with the 1000 available YT videos that DDO only works if you have NBA or NCAA div I quality players.

                            Why did Chot’s DDO in 2014 work? Because he had an in-shape Andray, prime Castro, and father-time defying Alapag.

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                            • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                              Worse, it’s also obvious with the 1000 available YT videos that DDO only works if you have NBA or NCAA div I quality players.

                              Why did Chot’s DDO in 2014 work? Because he had an in-shape Andray, prime Castro, and father-time defying Alapag.

                              The DDO is also implemented mostly by tall teams,DDO and short ball just doesn't work most of the time.

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                              • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                                All these questions about skill, height, and availability are actually useless because no matter what happens the coach is a complete imbecile who has absolutely no business coaching our national team.
                                I guess Japan and Korea are also dumb as they loss to us several times already in U16 using small ball and DDO.

                                We can dream of a tall lineup all we want but unless we see hoards of them in our doors, which we won't, we will be small and need to play thru that to make us winnable in competition. It's easier in the men's category as most of the Filipino body develops and can carry more weight as we get to 23 and up.

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