2024 FIBA Asia U18 Championship

[live_evil]

Someone send Joke Reyes to Marilaque on a weekend. That guy is a complete imbecile. Cohesion really doesn't matter at this age level since he really has no system. Just shoot threes and dribble and dribble and dribble and drive.

[JAMSKIE]

Speaking of cohesion/chemistry & those U-18 prospects (in particular Daep & Borja) that should be in the team/pool even if they have not joined the team/pool from the onset, the thing is, its not like those players will join the team 10 to 15 days prior to the 2024 FIBA Asia U-18 Championship which of course would surely disrupt the chemistry or cohesion of the team. If those guys can join the team much earlier & train with the team for at least 2 months, I think the team can develop & establish cohesion/chemistry while at the same sense improve the team composition wise.

Kumbaga, aanhin mo ang cohesion/chemistry if the composition of your team is weak? As I've said, chemistry/cohesion can only go so far.

[Metta]

None. Aside from Andy, there is no player that seems to be transitioning from youth to seniors.

So aside from Alas who is injured (and the guys I mentioned who made excuses), there's really no one much better that's supposed to be on this team but wasn't picked?

Then why is there an issue about the team selection?

[JAMSKIE]

So aside from Alas who is injured (and the guys I mentioned who made excuses), there's really no one much better that's supposed to be on this team but wasn't picked?

Then why is there an issue about the team selection?

I was just wondering why the Perpetual bigs - Daep & Borja, as well maybe 2 Fil-ams, one of which is Sanderson, aren't in the pool/team. I think those players could be upgrades composition wise.

[lem0nadi]

So aside from Alas who is injured (and the guys I mentioned who made excuses), there's really no one much better that's supposed to be on this team but wasn't picked?

Then why is there an issue about the team selection?

Because the current lineup can be further improve.

Getting Morales, Diao, Borja, Daep solves our height problems.

Sanderson is way better than most of our current guards/wings (Ludovice, Manding, Hunter).

We also have Jayden Jones 6'4 who led the FIL-Nation Select B in the Manila Live finals with Sanderson is not also in the lineup.

Those players may not be the type of player that could transition from youth to senior but they are definitely better than the players we have in the current lineup right now.


Just as exactly what JAMSKIE said.

[ccharmed]

Ignorant ones keep using "chemistry" which is a mere americanism for the correct, exact french derived word "rapport". "Chemistry" normally applies to the mutual relationship of two people -- gaya mga artistang love teams sa tv at sine. Applicable din ang esprit de corps, more than chemistry. Most likely, fans mean teamwork, but just keep parroting chemistry. (Pasensya na old school ako. Nuong panahon namin sa school ay talagang di tolerated ang banong ingles. Sabi ng titser, kung mag ingles ka, siguradihin mong mas maayos ka pa sa amerikanong mag ingles. Iyong nanay ko nga, inabitan pa mas malupit magturo ng grammar ar enunciation ng ingles -- amerikanang thomasian teacher.)

Anyway, as the usa olympic baller team repeatedly keeps showing, the quality of talent and athleticism is the mandatory requirement, and never "chemistry". Jordan never liked barkley, more so with barkley's stupid olympic antics. They certainly have no chemistry. But that dream team was very overqualified and simply destroyed the other teams. The current us team is hardly a boatload of rapport either. But again, superior individual abilities -- plus anti-serbian or maybe paid or partial referee help -- is preferable to "chemistry" anytime

So seyer is so incompetent that he can only come up with a too-small, mediocre team. It is a complete waste of time and money to send seyer-coached youth teams beyond asean games. In fact, pinoy coaches use "good chemistry" as a very convenient excuse to justify the sending of a garbage, abilities-challenged team. Where are the dominant scorers? Dominant rebounders/ blockers/ interceptors? Ano nga individual performance specs at +/- game metrics ng seyer selected players against non-asean teams??? O iyan. Wala ng masagot na matino pag totohanan na, at plus 50-90 points pala mga shameless na seyer teams against decent international teams.

Of course, the pbs is an even worse if not the worst sports association as it allows +50-90 garbage youth teams to shamelessly represent the philippines. Buti pa boxing, weightlifting at gymnastics associations at marunong mahiya.

[Metta]

Because the current lineup can be further improve.

Getting Morales, Diao, Borja, Daep solves our height problems.

Sanderson is way better than most of our current guards/wings (Ludovice, Manding, Hunter).

We also have Jayden Jones 6'4 who led the FIL-Nation Select B in the Manila Live finals with Sanderson is not also in the lineup.

Those players may not be the type of player that could transition from youth to senior but they are definitely better than the players we have in the current lineup right now.


Just as exactly what JAMSKIE said.

If it's those guys, then I don't think selection is the problem, it's player commitment. The Perps boys don't want to participate (school won't allow it) same thing with the Stateside boys (the date is a busy time in terms of showcase events especially on Labor Day).

If the NCAA insider here did not mention the situation of the Perpetual boys, you guys won't even know that was the case. Same thing with minor injuries or personal schedule conflicts, none of that gets publicized.

[lem0nadi]

If it's those guys, then I don't think selection is the problem, it's player commitment. The Perps boys don't want to participate (school won't allow it) same thing with the Stateside boys (the date is a busy time in terms of showcase events especially on Labor Day).

If the NCAA insider here did not mention the situation of the Perpetual boys, you guys won't even know that was the case. Same thing with minor injuries or personal schedule conflicts, none of that gets publicized.

The guys here were talking about Reyes' chemistry over composition. So even if they are available, most likely the lineup will still stick same as the U17 WC when all of the talented kids were available but Reyes sticked with his so called chemistry team resulting in a disaster stint. So yeah, available or not, the issue is Reyes' is not really interested in improving the team by getting the better and deserving players.

[Metta]

The guys here were talking about Reyes' chemistry over composition. So even if they are available, most likely the lineup will still stick same as the U17 WC when all of the talented kids were available but Reyes sticked with his so called chemistry team resulting in a disaster stint. So yeah, available or not, the issue is Reyes' is not really interested in improving the team by getting the better and deserving players.

And I'm talking about player availability. How can guys be included if they're not available. It's like arguing for Kawhi as a superior player from his alternate White and should have been the one included, but the thing is...he was not available.

"So even if they are available, most likely..." in short, you are assuming. I don't know that for sure, and you don't know that for sure.

When it comes to chemistry in relation to composition... basketball is a team sport, the goal is to become the best team that you can be. We can go on for pages arguing how inferior players can be more beneficial towards that goal over superior players, and vice versa. It's not an exact science. Just like how Booker is a starter and getting major minutes with the US over obviously more accomplished players. And why White is getting more minutes than Halli.

Someone made the analogy of a team like Thailand training for chemistry and even in a hundred years will never beat the US. Of course, because the gap is so wide. You could turn that argument upside down and claim that even if with the absolute best players of the Philippines from a hundred years magically turning into their prime and all available... we still won't beat the US.

[JAMSKIE]

From what a blogger said, the Perpetuals bigs (Daep & Borja) were invited by coach Josh to join the U-18 pool at the start of the training a few months ago but the bigs couldn't join the team/pool training right away becoz Perpetual was playing against Letran in the NCAA high school championship. The Perputual bigs said to have committed to coach Josh to join the U-18 training as soon as the NCAA Jr. championship is over. But it looks like coach Josh couldn't wait for the NCAA Jr. finals to culminate before those Perpetual bigs get to join his Batang Gilas U-18 training. Its like coach Josh telling Daep & Borja, "Either you join the U-18 training now or you don't get to join my team at all."

Well this is just a rumor which could either be true or not. Now if its true then I think coach Josh made a fatal mistake. I mean what is the problem with Daep & Borja joining Batang Gilas U-18 training late by say 2 weeks if Batang Gilas gets to train full time by at least 3 months prior to the 2024 FIBA Asia U-18 tournament? Sigurd naman eh sa 3 months na yun eh Daep & Borja would be able to assimilate with coach Josh' system & would be able to jell with their other teammates.

Now there's another rumor I heard that Perpetual didn't allow Daep & Borja to join Batang Gilas because of fear that these players might be pirated by other schools. Well if that's the case then we can't blame coach Josh.

[Metta]

From what a blogger said, the Perpetuals bigs (Daep & Borja) were invited by coach Josh to join the U-18 pool at the start of the training a few months ago but the bigs couldn't join the team/pool training right away becoz Perpetual was playing against Letran in the NCAA high school championship. The Perputual bigs said to have committed to coach Josh to join the U-18 training as soon as the NCAA Jr. championship is over. But it looks like coach Josh couldn't wait for the NCAA Jr. finals to culminate before those Perpetual bigs get to join his Batang Gilas U-18 training. Its like coach Josh telling Daep & Borja, "Either you join the U-18 training now or you don't get to join my team at all."

Well this is just a rumor which could either be true or not. Now if its true then I think coach Josh made a fatal mistake. I mean what is the problem with Daep & Borja joining Batang Gilas U-18 training late by say 2 weeks if Batang Gilas gets to train full time by at least 3 months prior to the 2024 FIBA Asia U-18 tournament? Sigurd naman eh sa 3 months na yun eh Daep & Borja would be able to assimilate with coach Josh' system & would be able to jell with their other teammates.

Now there's another rumor I heard that Perpetual didn't allow Daep & Borja to join Batang Gilas because of fear that these players might be pirated by other schools. Well if that's the case then we can't blame coach Josh.

I'll take the word of Big Cat who's a legit ncaa insider over some vlogger any day. Regardless, we're all assuming here and no one knows for sure so at the end of the day, it's a waste of time.

[lem0nadi]

And I'm talking about player availability. How can guys be included if they're not available. It's like arguing for Kawhi as a superior player from his alternate White and should have been the one included, but the thing is...he was not available.

"So even if they are available, most likely..." in short, you are assuming. I don't know that for sure, and you don't know that for sure.

When it comes to chemistry in relation to composition... basketball is a team sport, the goal is to become the best team that you can be. We can go on for pages arguing how inferior players can be more beneficial towards that goal over superior players, and vice versa. It's not an exact science. Just like how Booker is a starter and getting major minutes with the US over obviously more accomplished players. And why White is getting more minutes than Halli.

Someone made the analogy of a team like Thailand training for chemistry and even in a hundred years will never beat the US. Of course, because the gap is so wide. You could turn that argument upside down and claim that even if with the absolute best players of the Philippines from a hundred years magically turning into their prime and all available... we still won't beat the US.

The most likely thing I said was referring to Reyes' not including the better players even though they are available, not most likely them being available. Please comprehend the statement first. It already happened in the U17 WC where all of the players were willing to play but simply did not get pick because of the so-called chemistry of Reyes.

What you said about Booker, White things does not connect to the main issue at all.

And also that Philippines beating the US does not make sense at all because we are not fighting against the US anymore. But if you are referring to that US game in U17 WC, do you think the team won't have a better fight against them had Reyes' made the team more competitive by selecting the better players over the inferior players? By that statement, I remember someone who said Italy is italy, lol.

I think what you are trying to say is that even though we are sending best players of this batch, we are still going to lose because of the gap. But look at the current situation, we are not going against USA anymore. Asian teams are beatable when we are sending our best players.

Also, even if we are going against the USA, having the best players in the team is better than putting inferior players just because they know the chemistry.

You just can't be the best team if you do not have the best players.

Please understand that it is not about the players' availability it is about the players' not getting to the lineup even when they are available.


The point here is always send the best team whenever they are available and willing. In this case, yes the players are available but Reyes' simply don't give them a chance in making the team.


I am pretty sure not assuming lol. All of those are facts.

[lem0nadi]

I think the point you are trying to say is, we can't do something if the players are not available. Which is valid.

But that is not the issue we are talking about here. It is aboutthe better players not getting to the team even though they are available and willing.

[Metta]

The most likely thing I said was referring to Reyes' not including the better players even though they are available, not most likely them being available. Please comprehend the statement first. It already happened in the U17 WC where all of the players were willing to play but simply did not get pick because of the so-called chemistry of Reyes.

What you said about Booker, White things does not connect to the main issue at all.

And also that Philippines beating the US does not make sense at all because we are not fighting against the US anymore. But if you are referring to that US game in U17 WC, do you think the team won't have a better fight against them had Reyes' made the team more competitive by selecting the better players over the inferior players? By that statement, I remember someone who said Italy is italy, lol.

I think what you are trying to say is that even though we are sending best players of this batch, we are still going to lose because of the gap. But look at the current situation, we are not going against USA anymore. Asian teams are beatable when we are sending our best players.

Also, even if we are going against the USA, having the best players in the team is better than putting inferior players just because they know the chemistry.

You just can't be the best team if you do not have the best players.

Please understand that it is not about the players' availability it is about the players' not getting to the lineup even when they are available.


The point here is always send the best team whenever they are available and willing. In this case, yes the players are available but Reyes' simply don't give them a chance in making the team.


I am pretty sure not assuming lol. All of those are facts.

Inhale. Forget Reyes for a moment. Exhale. And then read my post again.

If you still don't understand what I'm trying to say, then kudos to you.

[JAMSKIE]

And I'm talking about player availability. How can guys be included if they're not available. It's like arguing for Kawhi as a superior player from his alternate White and should have been the one included, but the thing is...he was not available.

"So even if they are available, most likely..." in short, you are assuming. I don't know that for sure, and you don't know that for sure.

When it comes to chemistry in relation to composition... basketball is a team sport, the goal is to become the best team that you can be. We can go on for pages arguing how inferior players can be more beneficial towards that goal over superior players, and vice versa. It's not an exact science. Just like how Booker is a starter and getting major minutes with the US over obviously more accomplished players. And why White is getting more minutes than Halli.

Someone made the analogy of a team like Thailand training for chemistry and even in a hundred years will never beat the US. Of course, because the gap is so wide. You could turn that argument upside down and claim that even if with the absolute best players of the Philippines from a hundred years magically turning into their prime and all available... we still won't beat the US.

Bro, my analogy is meant to emphasise that chemistry/cohesion isn't a be all & end all thing. U said, the gap is so wide between USA basketball & Thailand basketball (in terms of skills, athleticism & size), kaya nga I said, Thailand team playing, training, practicing together for 10 years will never come close to upsetting a USA team composed of NBA superstars even if Team USA only have a 10-day training. The gap is also very wide in terms of cohesion/chemistry in favor of Thailand (10 years versus 10 days). But US vast superiority in individual skills, size & athleticism will easily overwhelm Thailand's vast superiority in terms of cohesion/chemistry. Hope U get my point.

Take for instance the recently concluded basketball tournament in the current Paris Olympics, team USA isn't among the most cohesive team out there. In terms of cohesion/chemistry, teams like Serbia, France, Germany, Spain, Greece, etc. are significantly better than the Americans. Yet who stood in the gold medal podium?

Cohesion/chemistry is no doubt very very important. But it isn't everything. Cohesion/chemistry without the right materials won't cut it.