FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[JAMSKIE]

Add Amos for the 4 spot

or Japs for the 5 spot

just this window only

Maybe in the 3rd window we would be saying the same about Japeth - "just this window only"

And we might be saying that even in the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifying windows.

Japeth had already retired from national team service after last year's Asian Games, right? But coach Tim had to recall him out of retirement in the 1st window becoz Gilas didn't have AJ Edu & Junmar last February so mejo manipis tayo sa frontline. But Junmar & AJ Edu are available for the 2nd window. So why call up Japeth again for the 2nd window? That's one spot being used to an old player who wouldn't be serviceable for Gilas in a few years time. That spot should have been given to a young & developing player instead.

[sroth3839]

Maybe in the 3rd window we would be saying the same about Japeth - "just this window only"

And we might be saying that even in the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifying windows.

Japeth had already retired from national team service after last year's Asian Games, right? But coach Tim had to recall him out of retirement in the 1st window becoz Gilas didn't have AJ Edu & Junmar last February so mejo manipis tayo sa frontline. But Junmar & AJ Edu are available for the 2nd window. So why call up Japeth again for the 2nd window? That's one spot being used to an old player who wouldn't be serviceable for Gilas in a few years time. That spot should have been given to a young & developing player instead.

That’s what happens when you’re too rigid and insistent on having a “12 player” pool.

I, personally, would include youngsters like Zain, Konov, Gagate, F. Lopez, and Raven Cortez.

Or even Navarro, Chiu, Heading, Abando, Bolick, etc.

The current system we have now is too politicized and biased in favor of GSM and SMC players.

I stand by what I said since the first window: it should have been a 16-18 player pool.

[DAdmiral]

This is a new NZ team, with a new coach, for the next 4 year Olympic cycle, it doesn't have their regular players, Ili, Tai, Te Rangi, Ngatai, Delaney , Fotu , Wetzell. , while Corey Webster is included , he actually already retired from the NBL ( does not have a contract these season), While many of the pool member are indeed team A players, they have very little experience playing together in FIBA, enclosed below are the players who have been playing well in the current NBL season and who you should watch out for

Top 5 Kiwi performances from Round 7 of NBL action....
Sam Mennenga (v MU) 25points (10/12fg) 4reb, 2ast in 19min (Also 14points, 6reb, 2ast v 36ers)
Sam Waardenburg (v Brisbane) 21points (6/11fg), 8reb, 3ast in 30min
Tyrell Harrison (v Cairns) 14points (4/10fg), 20reb (9off) in 30min
Flynn Cameron (v NZ) 20points (6/10fg),
3reb, 1ast in 20min
Izayah Afa - 23 pts for Sydney vs NZ ,
Harris starts for Perth is a utility defender who should guard Brownlee

[PeeZones]

Let us stop the BS that nz has a new coach and a new team. He was a snr nt assistant since 2020 and a fixture in their NZ bball program. NZ fanboys would confessed here that NZ bball community is tight knit. They all know everyone and their system were always the same. They could plug and play anyone. Majority of their supposed rosters were already snr NT players. The notable omissions were already old and subpar.

https://www.fiba.basketball/en/events/fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament-2024-piraeus-greece/news/judd-flavell-named-coach-of-tall-blacks

This would be NZ team A against Gilas Team A. Stop making excuses beforehand. This is a formidable Nz team.

[DAdmiral]

Come to think of it the difference between the roster of New Zealand and Gilss this month, is NZ is introducing new guys, the two Sam's, Cameron etc, including U17 4th place Goldman, with a new Head coach. (Don't know what to expect with the NZ new team), should be interesting to see what their new iteration of Nz team.lools like

While many of the their players have played FIBA, they actually have NOT played much together. (Webster hasnt played mich with LeAfa) and both Sam's have very limited FIBA experience.

The point is NZ is in rebuild testing a new coach and players, which is all good , which it's a new 4 year Olympic cycle

4 of 5 starters in both OQT and WC23 are absent ( Ili, Te Rangi, Delaney, Wetzell), note if Kiwi NBA draftees Adams and King joined they would be FIBA rookies LOL

if Gilas plays anything like in the OQT , they should easily beat this NZ team

[PeeZones]

That was not a rebuild but NZ upgrading its roster. That goldman would be comparable to Amos but wont get minutes. The coach was recently installed HC but was not a new Nz coach. He is like tim who was always around gilas as an assistant. Cameron already played snr nt also i think waardenburg.

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

The reason Tim Cone is sticking to his original 12 players is because the triangle offense is a notoriously difficult system to learn. Even NBA players need at least two seasons to master the system. This is also the reason why very few teams employ the triangle system in its purest form.

[Giannis34GOD]

The reason Tim Cone is sticking to his original 12 players is because the triangle offense is a notoriously difficult system to learn. Even NBA players need at least two seasons to master the system. This is also the reason why very few teams employ the triangle system in its purest form.

True .. that's why we have to trust CTC's system... And if CTC will add players, only possible players are those players who already played with him either Ginebra or Gilas.. The only possible additions will likely Tolentino, RJ and Go.. that's it... Forget the likes of Heading, Baltazar, Parks, etc... if CTC wants them, he already take all of them since day 1 of CTC's appointment...

[IPC]

The reason Tim Cone is sticking to his original 12 players is because the triangle offense is a notoriously difficult system to learn. Even NBA players need at least two seasons to master the system. This is also the reason why very few teams employ the triangle system in its purest form.

True .. that's why we have to trust CTC's system... And if CTC will add players, only possible players are those players who already played with him either Ginebra or Gilas.. The only possible additions will likely Tolentino, RJ and Go.. that's it... Forget the likes of Heading, Baltazar, Parks, etc... if CTC wants them, he already take all of them since day 1 of CTC's appointment...

Arvin's a good shooter, but he's only a feasible addition if we have either of Kai and AJ in the lineup so we have someone to clean up after him, and/or Oftana and Malonzo prove to be competent defending the 3. Arvin's a defensive liability in the perimeter as a 3 (which is an important defensive position). At least Oftana is good at rotating to shooters, and can stay in front a bit (though he did allow a few blow-bys in the Ginebra series, but I can count them on one hand; I saw few plays where he was involved on defense).

RJ, no questions, he's fine for now. Good shooter, and has court vision, just has to be better in making decisions. He's already shown flashes in 2021, but he'll need to elevate his play from now on, and be more consistent.

There's already an age factor. June Mar turns 35 next Sunday. Newsome's 34. JB's 36. We'll need someone to succeed them, because they could near retirement from the NT. Replacements will be inevitable. We will have to call up new guys, question is will they be short-term players or long-term additions. But on the other hand, we have a group of players born 1996 and later, so we have players for the long-term. Oftana and Malonzo are 28, Dwight's 26, AJ's 24, Carl and Quiambao are 23, and Kai's 22. So, veterans can do, so long as they can already contribute and have had a good track record.

And I feel that we're a bit dependent on Kai, AJ, and JB, especially on defense, and on JB for shot creation. How do we make sure the team doesn't fall apart defensively after JB's retirement when neither of AJ and Kai are on the floor? Scheme can only do so much without the necessary players to execute it. And then the shot creator when the system breaks down. Will we train our locals to create, or will we again rely on the NP, like we did with Blatche, JC, and JB?

[JAMSKIE]

The reason Tim Cone is sticking to his original 12 players is because the triangle offense is a notoriously difficult system to learn. Even NBA players need at least two seasons to master the system. This is also the reason why very few teams employ the triangle system in its purest form.

With more reason that coach Tim needs to add a few players (say 2 to 3 players) to his current pool of 14 players ASAP. As we can see we have 4 players - Japeth, Junmar, Newsome & JB who are going to retire from Gilas soon. While JB already has a replacement in Bennie Boatwright whose naturalization papers are already in Congress, coach Tim needs to find possible replacements for Japeth, Junmar & Newsome. And these possible replacements should be integrated to the program ASAP. Kasi Japeth, Junmar, Newsone & JB probably would retire from Gilas after next year's FIBA Asia Cup. Should we wait for these ageing players to retire at saka pa lang natin e integrate yung mga replacements nila to the Gilas program? As you've said, it takes time for players to learn, grasp & get used to the triangle offense of coach Tim Cone. Remember that right after the FIBA Asia Cup, coach Tim has to deal with the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifiers.

My point here is, we need to immerse ASAP to the Gilas program yung mga possible replacements of Junmar, Newsome, Japeth so that by the time Junmar & company retire from Gilas, their replacements have already learned, grasped, familiarized & assimilated themselves with coach Tim's system. Hindi na sila mangangapa sa triangle offense & nagje jell na sila sa mga teammates nila.

[Silent Killer]

With more reason that coach Tim needs to add a few players (say 2 to 3 players) to his current pool of 14 players ASAP. As we can see we have 4 players - Japeth, Junmar, Newsome & JB who are going to retire from Gilas soon. While JB already has a replacement in Bennie Boatwright whose naturalization papers are already in Congress, coach Tim needs to find possible replacements for Japeth, Junmar & Newsome. And these possible replacements should be integrated to the program ASAP. Kasi Japeth, Junmar, Newsone & JB probably would retire from Gilas after next year's FIBA Asia Cup. Should we wait for these ageing players to retire at saka pa lang natin e integrate yung mga replacements nila to the Gilas program? As you've said, it takes time for players to learn, grasp & get used to the triangle offense of coach Tim Cone. Remember that right after the FIBA Asia Cup, coach Tim has to deal with the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifiers.

My point here is, we need to immerse ASAP to the Gilas program yung mga possible replacements of Junmar, Newsome, Japeth so that by the time Junmar & company retire from Gilas, their replacements have already learned, grasped, familiarized & assimilated themselves with coach Tim's system. Hindi na sila mangangapa sa triangle offense & nagje jell na sila sa mga teammates nila.

the importance of team b comes to play.. but our NT coach is too stubborn..

[IPC]

With more reason that coach Tim needs to add a few players (say 2 to 3 players) to his current pool of 14 players ASAP. As we can see we have 4 players - Japeth, Junmar, Newsome & JB who are going to retire from Gilas soon. While JB already has a replacement in Bennie Boatwright whose naturalization papers are already in Congress, coach Tim needs to find possible replacements for Japeth, Junmar & Newsome. And these possible replacements should be integrated to the program ASAP. Kasi Japeth, Junmar, Newsone & JB probably would retire from Gilas after next year's FIBA Asia Cup. Should we wait for these ageing players to retire at saka pa lang natin e integrate yung mga replacements nila to the Gilas program? As you've said, it takes time for players to learn, grasp & get used to the triangle offense of coach Tim Cone. Remember that right after the FIBA Asia Cup, coach Tim has to deal with the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifiers.

My point here is, we need to immerse ASAP to the Gilas program yung mga possible replacements of Junmar, Newsome, Japeth so that by the time Junmar & company retire from Gilas, their replacements have already learned, grasped, familiarized & assimilated themselves with coach Tim's system. Hindi na sila mangangapa sa triangle offense & nagje jell na sila sa mga teammates nila.

Now that you mention Bennie, we need to be selective as to who replaces June Mar and Newsome. As I pointed out repeatedly in this forum, Bennie's defense is a weak point. He can rotate, but his interior defense was suspect in the PBA. So, we need the scheme and personnel to hide him and limit his responsibility on that end.

As a general rule, he needs at least one of Kai and AJ alongside him, or at least a big who can defend the interior. If no defensive big is in the lineup while Bennie's on the floor, the 1-3 has to be good enough defensively to be able to limit dribble penetration. So if Bennie is going to be our next NP, we need a good defensive big and/or a good defensive wing. They may come from within the 12-man lineup (Malonzo or Oftana as defensive wings), or as the successors to June Mar and Newsome.

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

With more reason that coach Tim needs to add a few players (say 2 to 3 players) to his current pool of 14 players ASAP. As we can see we have 4 players - Japeth, Junmar, Newsome & JB who are going to retire from Gilas soon. While JB already has a replacement in Bennie Boatwright whose naturalization papers are already in Congress, coach Tim needs to find possible replacements for Japeth, Junmar & Newsome. And these possible replacements should be integrated to the program ASAP. Kasi Japeth, Junmar, Newsone & JB probably would retire from Gilas after next year's FIBA Asia Cup. Should we wait for these ageing players to retire at saka pa lang natin e integrate yung mga replacements nila to the Gilas program? As you've said, it takes time for players to learn, grasp & get used to the triangle offense of coach Tim Cone. Remember that right after the FIBA Asia Cup, coach Tim has to deal with the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifiers.

My point here is, we need to immerse ASAP to the Gilas program yung mga possible replacements of Junmar, Newsome, Japeth so that by the time Junmar & company retire from Gilas, their replacements have already learned, grasped, familiarized & assimilated themselves with coach Tim's system. Hindi na sila mangangapa sa triangle offense & nagje jell na sila sa mga teammates nila.

CTC is a multi-titled coach and I'm sure he knows he needs new players to integrate into the system. June Mar, Brownlee, and Japeth are all generational talent-level players whose experience and skill set couldn't be easily replaced. That's probably one of the reasons why he simply couldn't afford to get random to players to be part of his system. CTC knows how the big backlash is if he fails, so he's trying to win as much possible now by playing his old reliables.

[sroth3839]

Now that you mention Bennie, we need to be selective as to who replaces June Mar and Newsome. As I pointed out repeatedly in this forum, Bennie's defense is a weak point. He can rotate, but his interior defense was suspect in the PBA. So, we need the scheme and personnel to hide him and limit his responsibility on that end.

As a general rule, he needs at least one of Kai and AJ alongside him, or at least a big who can defend the interior. If no defensive big is in the lineup while Bennie's on the floor, the 1-3 has to be good enough defensively to be able to limit dribble penetration. So if Bennie is going to be our next NP, we need a good defensive big and/or a good defensive wing. They may come from within the 12-man lineup (Malonzo or Oftana as defensive wings), or as the successors to June Mar and Newsome.

Ange, Phillips, and QMB getting exemptions actually solves all of that.

[Silent Killer]

november 15 start of training

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/gilas-gets-asia-cup-qualifiers-training-camp-going-on-nov-15-a793-20241110