FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[Rds]

Dwight is our only decent SF. Not sure who will take Dwights place. I dont think Oftana is a starter level. Obviously a Navarro is a decent SF defender but he is not in the pool. Only Newsome is a decent SF defender but he is undersized. At this point JB is not expected to do that. Malonzo came from an injury so I dont know how ready he is.

[thatweirdguy]

It is obviously a sarcasm. I am among those here who strongly advocates for the expansion of Gilas pool. Say adding 2 or 3 players won't really disrupt the chemistry. As I've said in the other thread, had we added 2 or 3 players last 2nd window, I think after this 3rd window, the new players will already have a good grasp of the triangle & may have already started to jell with their teammates. The thing is, hindi mo naman kailangan bigyan ng malaking playing time ang mga bagong players. Token minutes will be enough. What is more important is the new players gets to train/scrimmage with the team.

Like I said before we've been lucky so far in regards to health. If the system is hard to learn then all the more reason to include as many players as they can in practices so they can start learning? Unless the people on their blacklist are a lot more than we thought they should have really invited the obvious candidates to the pool. Maybe the issue is financial ?

[sroth3839]

Like I said before we've been lucky so far in regards to health. If the system is hard to learn then all the more reason to include as many players as they can in practices so they can start learning? Unless the people on their blacklist are a lot more than we thought they should have really invited the obvious candidates to the pool. Maybe the issue is financial ?

I doubt it.

The issue is political.

It's fucking Chua. Kailan ba hindi eto umepal sa programa? the guy has been causing trouble since the Gilas 1 days.

[sroth3839]

And just like that, Rosario gets hurt.

We are now down to Edu, Fajardo, and Japeth as our bigs.

So much for an extra man in the pool.

[lem0nadi]

He went back to the court, I think he is okay.

[IPC]

Dwight is our only decent SF. Not sure who will take Dwights place. I dont think Oftana is a starter level. Obviously a Navarro is a decent SF defender but he is not in the pool. Only Newsome is a decent SF defender but he is undersized. At this point JB is not expected to do that. Malonzo came from an injury so I dont know how ready he is.

The wing issue wouldn't even be an issue if we were secure in terms of bigman defenders.

As for Malonzo, I saw him be able to stay in front of Newsome in a few possessions, but that's pretty much what I saw.

[sroth3839]

The wing issue wouldn't even be an issue if we were secure in terms of bigman defenders.

As for Malonzo, I saw him be able to stay in front of Newsome in a few possessions, but that's pretty much what I saw.

And it’s not like we have a superfluous amount of 6'5-6'6 guys with legit wing skills.

[IPC]

And it’s not like we have a superfluous amount of 6'5-6'6 guys with legit wing skills.

More importantly for me, 196cm (6'5")+ players who can defend the perimeter at the wing position.

[Rds]

More importantly for me, 196cm (6'5")+ players who can defend the perimeter at the wing position.

Yup. It’s not the offense it’s the defense. That’s why the role 3ND was born. You don’ t need a tall guy who can dribble, drive but will be eaten alive on D. You need a tall guy who is quick and strong enough to defend the perimeter and hit the occasional open 3.

You would realize how simple this is if you watched the originator of this position Bruce Bowen of the spurs. The guy was a reject. He was 6’7 and athletic but he had zero skills. Couldnt dribble. Was an inefficient shooter. But the spurs had a problem. Their SF was 6’5 Ginobili was not known for defense. Kobe had been eating their defense. Now young guns like LBJ and Melo were starting to do the same. In comes Bowen he was strong, fast and big enough to defend the all stars of the league. On offense he just had to practice the corner 3. Voila. After letting go of 6’8 do it all SF Stephen Jackson they were able to be competitive because of an unskilled 6’7 guy who could defens. That is before they stumbled on to another guy but who developed into more than a 3D guy but one of the best 2 way players in the league.


So there it’s not the offense for the SF position it’s the defense that’s more important for us right now.

[JAMSKIE]

In a span of just 1 year, how many Gilas players got injured - Malonzo, AJ Edu, Iskati Thompson, Kai & most recent Dwight Ramos? That's 5 players in the 1st year of Gilas program alone under coach Tim.

[deku_midoriya]

In a span of just 1 year, how many Gilas players got injured - Malonzo, AJ Edu, Iskati Thompson, Kai & most recent Dwight Ramos? That's 5 players in the 1st year of Gilas program alone under coach Tim.

Nah, its not exclusive to Gilas. Sokor has been fielding almost different lineups every window. They have more injuries than Gilas and they have chemistry problems due to these changes. They havent really gotten their groove back.

Kai is injured, AJ is there
Scottie was injured, newsome is capable at PG
Dwight is injured but we got malonzo back and KQ gets more playing time
I dont really see the issue why we need to further expand the pool when we already have 3-4 players as reserves

Its just that your favorite players are not in the pool.

[Silent Killer]

I doubt it.

The issue is political.

It's fucking Chua. Kailan ba hindi eto umepal sa programa? the guy has been causing trouble since the Gilas 1 days.

let’s summarize

Ray parks jr. - how he left PBA due to contract issues
Kiefer Ravena - how he left PBA.. (due to PBA not familiar with buy out) but eventually they released him and pba contract)
SJ Belangel - vocal on how SBP run and the treatment on his former ADMU coach
Bolick - his reluctance to be traded to SMC teams
Heading - how he found a loop on getting a clearance to different federation that allows him to play in foreign league. by this look what PBA did to navarro in return. Plus he’s playing with converge. Delta was not allowed to be pba governor due to outside reputation.

I repeat again.. Lots of players are better than iskati and some players in the pool.. is that some of them has issues one over the other and we all know how matampuhin sbp and pba is.

[JAMSKIE]

Nah, its not exclusive to Gilas. Sokor has been fielding almost different lineups every window. They have more injuries than Gilas and they have chemistry problems due to these changes. They havent really gotten their groove back.

Kai is injured, AJ is there
Scottie was injured, newsome is capable at PG
Dwight is injured but we got malonzo back and KQ gets more playing time
I dont really see the issue why we need to further expand the pool when we already have 3-4 players as reserves

Its just that your favorite players are not in the pool.

Who are among the reserved players in Gilas? An aging Japeth Aguilar who is supposed to have retired from the national team but have to come out from retirement everytime a Gilas big man is injured? Another aging player in Troy Rosario who has hardly proven himself as a national team player some years ago?

What favorite players of mine who aren't in Gilas that you're talking about? Saying like "this player should be in the national team as I think he is serviceable for the team" doesn't really suggest that player is a favorite of mine. I'm just trying to be objective & rational.

Bro, it's just natural that if a player plays very well in whichever leagues he play, may it be the PBA, B-league, KBL, people have the tendency to think or suggest that maybe that player deserves a national team invite. Of course hindi naman lahat ng situation ay ganoon. Like in Justin Arana's case, he has been playing very well at Converge but most of us here at IBN think he's not serviceable for Gilas in the Asian or world level basketball.

[deku_midoriya]

Who are among the reserved players in Gilas? An aging Japeth Aguilar who is supposed to have retired from the national team but have to come out from retirement everytime a Gilas big man is injured? Another aging player in Troy Rosario who has hardly proven himself as a national team player some years ago?

What favorite players of mine who aren't in Gilas that you're talking about? Saying like "this player should be in the national team as I think he is serviceable for the team" doesn't really suggest that player is a favorite of mine. I'm just trying to be objective & rational.

Bro, it's just natural that if a player plays very well in whichever leagues he play, may it be the PBA, B-league, KBL, people have the tendency to think or suggest that maybe that player deserves a national team invite. Of course hindi naman lahat ng situation ay ganoon. Like in Justin Arana's case, he has been playing very well at Converge but most of us here at IBN think he's not serviceable for Gilas in the Asian or world level basketball.

Japeth, Mason, Troy and Kouame are in the pool. Very debatable if some players are better than them. Since CTC is the coach, he should be given free reign and he has since delivered. I will not question his player choices or pool size.

[Silent Killer]

Japeth, Mason, Troy and Kouame are in the pool. Very debatable if some players are better than them. Since CTC is the coach, he should be given free reign and he has since delivered. I will not question his player choices or pool size.

and when will you integrate the replacements for older players?