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  • Another thing is if you look those countries, Japan, Australia, Iran, Korea, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are only countries that make their both teams in top 10 rank both in football and basketball.. makes them they are the best team sports program in Asia.... Actually Jordan is the surprisingly make on that list.. A country is not that rich economically but they have good program in both popular sports worldwide... China meanwhile are disappointing in Asian football by not making in the top 10 in AFC rankings...

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    • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
      OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


      FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

      Australia - 7
      Japan - 21
      New Zealand - 22
      Iran - 28
      Lebanon - 29
      China - 30
      Philippines - 34
      Jordan - 35
      Korea - 54
      Saudi Arabia - 66

      AFC top 10 rankings:

      Japan - 15
      Iran - 18
      Korea - 23
      Australia - 26
      Qatar - 48
      Iraq - 56
      Saudi Arabia - 59
      UAE - 63
      Jordan - 64
      Bahrain - 81


      Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...
      for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…

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      • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

        for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…
        Thailand who is the best in ASEAN cannot even crack the AFC Top 10. China even with multi million investments in player development and a top flight league that attracts mid tier European and south American cannot even reach the level of Korea, Japan, Iran and Saudi.

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        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
          OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


          FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

          Australia - 7
          Japan - 21
          New Zealand - 22
          Iran - 28
          Lebanon - 29
          China - 30
          Philippines - 34
          Jordan - 35
          Korea - 54
          Saudi Arabia - 66

          AFC top 10 rankings:

          Japan - 15
          Iran - 18
          Korea - 23
          Australia - 26
          Qatar - 48
          Iraq - 56
          Saudi Arabia - 59
          UAE - 63
          Jordan - 64
          Bahrain - 81


          Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...
          AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

          Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

          Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

          Tier Elite:
          Australia

          Tier I:
          Japan
          Philippines
          China
          NZ
          Lebanon
          Jordan
          Iran
          Korea

          Tier II:
          Saudi
          Bahrain
          Qatar
          India
          Kazakhstan
          Syria
          Taiwan

          We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.

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          • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

            AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

            Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

            Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

            Tier Elite:
            Australia

            Tier I:
            Japan
            Philippines
            China
            Lebanon
            Jordan
            Iran
            Korea

            Tier II:
            Saudi
            Bahrain
            Qatar
            India
            Kazakhstan
            Syria
            Taiwan

            We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.
            You forgot to list the Tall Blacks.

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            • Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post

              You forgot to list the Tall Blacks.
              Corrected.

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              • I believe the golden generation of Japan will still be lording over us and the rest of Asia (except Australia) until the next Olympic cycle (2028) LA Olympics. Even if SBP succeed with FIBA in re-classifying Kouame and M. Phillips as local or homegrown. Even if QMB secured his Filipino passport before he reached 16. Still Japan is a tough nut to crack…

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                • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                  AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

                  Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

                  Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

                  Tier Elite:
                  Australia

                  Tier I:
                  Japan
                  Philippines
                  China
                  NZ
                  Lebanon
                  Jordan
                  Iran
                  Korea

                  Tier II:
                  Saudi
                  Bahrain
                  Qatar
                  India
                  Kazakhstan
                  Syria
                  Taiwan

                  We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.
                  Taiwan is in the odd position here - not so great against tier I teams but will definitely beat those in the tier II by atleast 15 points.
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                  • i want to see a full-force gilas vs a full force japan match. i think that would be a treat. i think we will win a squeaker. the combo of sotto and junemar will be too much to handle for japan.
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                    • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

                      for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…
                      You can said that because Gilas is a powerhouse team.. but if look at the general competition.. Australia in FIBA Asia is more competitive worldwide than Japan in AFC worldwide.. they even won bronze medal in 2020 Olympics... And if basketball is more easier, wealthy countries such as Saudi and Qatar are very competitive in basketball too..

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                      • Originally posted by Dotch View Post

                        Thailand who is the best in ASEAN cannot even crack the AFC Top 10. China even with multi million investments in player development and a top flight league that attracts mid tier European and south American cannot even reach the level of Korea, Japan, Iran and Saudi.
                        Thailand is not that strong in Asian level... China has no football culture... Only real Asian powerhouse in football are Japan, Korea, Saudi, Qatar, Jordan and Australia.. and unlike Basketball that Australia is lording over in Asian basketball, there is 6-7 AFC has a chance to win the title.. There is some argument if you are Filipinos, Chinese or Australians, they will tell basketball competition is easier.. but if you tell Koreans and all Arabia nations (except Lebanon), they will tell basketball is more harder and they have chance in football... Even some of football fans in the Philippines tell that we have more chance in football than basketball....

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                        • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                          AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

                          Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

                          Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

                          Tier Elite:
                          Australia

                          Tier I:
                          Japan
                          Philippines
                          China
                          NZ
                          Lebanon
                          Jordan
                          Iran
                          Korea

                          Tier II:
                          Saudi
                          Bahrain
                          Qatar
                          India
                          Kazakhstan
                          Syria
                          Taiwan

                          We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.
                          So that means basketball competition is tougher... Why? You have one clear team who is very superior and very hard to beat.. in AFC, some teams can beat more higher rank teams in a given day... If you are Indonesian, they will tell they have a chance in football than basketball... We are only saying that basketball is easier because we are powerhouse in Asian basketball... If you tell Saudis or Qataris, they will tell football is very easy because they are strong in that field.. my basis is the level of competition.. Australia in basketball have more chance to win in world stage than Japan in football... AFC rank 10 Bahrain has a chance to beat rank 1 Japan than FIBA Asia rank 10 Saudi beating rank 1 Australia...

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                          • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post
                            I believe the golden generation of Japan will still be lording over us and the rest of Asia (except Australia) until the next Olympic cycle (2028) LA Olympics. Even if SBP succeed with FIBA in re-classifying Kouame and M. Phillips as local or homegrown. Even if QMB secured his Filipino passport before he reached 16. Still Japan is a tough nut to crack…
                            For a country who is more obsessed with baseball,American football and soccer,they managed to find the fomula to succeed,where Gilas failed to do so.

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                            • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post

                              For a country who is more obsessed with baseball,American football and soccer,they managed to find the fomula to succeed,where Gilas failed to do so.
                              The thing that enables Japan to do this is because they use their strategic and organizational expertise in sports. Countries without God-given optimal genetics (most Asians) are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to team sports.

                              Japan overcomes this disadvantage by using characteristics where they are world elite...hard-work, discipline, strategizing and long-term patience/outlook...things that also make them an economic powerhouse. In sports, this is best illustrated by their "Koshien" baseball...an almost maniacal approach starting at a young age to become good at baseball. They also recently adapted this into basketball to great effect. They already have a blueprint for team success and the innate discipline required so it's just a matter of them applying it to different sports.

                              The "10,000 hour rule" (to become world-elite) that I've mentioned before is child's play for the Japanese. For them it's more like the 30,000 hour rule.

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                              • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                                The thing that enables Japan to do this is because they use their strategic and organizational expertise in sports. Countries without God-given optimal genetics (most Asians) are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to team sports.

                                Japan overcomes this disadvantage by using characteristics where they are world elite...hard-work, discipline, strategizing and long-term patience/outlook...things that also make them an economic powerhouse. In sports, this is best illustrated by their "Koshien" baseball...an almost maniacal approach starting at a young age to become good at baseball. They also recently adapted this into basketball to great effect. They already have a blueprint for team success and the innate discipline required so it's just a matter of them applying it to different sports.

                                The "10,000 hour rule" (to become world-elite) that I've mentioned before is child's play for the Japanese. For them it's more like the 30,000 hour rule.
                                Most Filipino workers/players are hardworkers but lacks patience as well as discipline. The constant changing of coach as well as the fans demanding coaching change every mishaps are the good illustrations of that.

                                Note: I am one of the supporters of Chot's ouster and I am very thankful that he resigned. We are in good hands with Tim Cone right now.
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