FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[DAdmiral]

The reality is for verification of documents of this importance FIBA eligibility( at least similar level to a visa application . Of course FIBA does a vetting check using available records accessible to, and not mere acceptance of a passport issued from the country of the case applicant. 5 eyes records isn't deep witch hunt investigation, it's just checking data entered into a system member to use for authentication. Nothing really extreme here, it is a proportionate mitigation put in place given the magnitude of what people will do , ( get a visa using falsified documents). While the purpose for establishing a shared information database is for more serious reasons, member countries and entities can use the information for their own verification checks however less important (eligibility)

If a passport was indeed issued 6 to 8 years ago, there really is Nothing to worry about. NOTHING to warrant avoiding Batang Gilas invites all these years and informing other school courting, that to pay and fix my papers please, that behavior isn't really warranted , if a passport was available

[DAdmiral]

Just the passport requirement itself is so discriminatory for me (poor people don't even bother to get one). I'd bet a lot of nba players never got passports before they were 16. Now the passport has to be five-eyes vetted (which I would think creates complications/doubts towards poorer countries).

Admittedly what you're actually expressing is more of a reflection of the advantages of western countries where inflow of migrants is present and the disadvantages of countries where people are fleeing or exporting people due to the economic conditions in the country .
unfortunately cause of massive movement migration of people these western countries have to put a robust system in place of record keeping to mitigate the risk and consequences.

don't forget if one is born in the county (like US NBA players) regardless if and when they get a passport or not are eligible to represent that country

Generally speaking (not absolute) the countries where more players are developed locally are generally the stronger one's , this seems fair

[DAdmiral]

The reason why the acusation from misguided Ozys that Sudanese sprinter Guot (born and raised in Ozy) is so appaling racist , is cause no one would ever say a European of say Greek and Italian heritage who is born and raised in Ozy is not Australian. Note even the largest migrant group ( Birtish) just represents 15 % of Australian population, Asians represent even a bigger % ( 20 %) so how can one claim that "English" entnicity is what Australian identity is. this is so false & backward. Reason I'm sharing this topic here is , regardless of how you look at it National identity , citizenship is really not about entnicty race , but is is always based on documented records , this applies to all Nations including the Philippine

Now rough estimates have only around 10 % both Asian (including Filipinos) and African lineage American citizens , actually still have legal documented connections to an overseas Nation. that is why the over emphasis in blood ethnicity lineage to justify connection is really so way off and meaningless. Really no global institution or body can use mere ethnicity connection as a legal basis for a definition of eligibility or Nationality

Before people assume I'm against Jus Sanguin , you're misguided , other western Nations like the US , Australia also apply Jus Sangiuin as a pathyway recognition of citizenship. but look at the legal definition of what it really means, it means related to parent who is a citizen ! not related to a parent of a certain ethnicity , this is true for every nation including the Philippines , this is where the misconception lies.

[Metta]

Admittedly what you're actually expressing is more of a reflection of the advantages of western countries where inflow of migrants is present and the disadvantages of countries where people are fleeing or exporting people due to the economic conditions in the country .
unfortunately cause of massive movement migration of people these western countries have to put a robust system in place of record keeping to mitigate the risk and consequences.

don't forget if one is born in the county (like US NBA players) regardless if and when they get a passport or not are eligible to represent that country

Generally speaking (not absolute) the countries where more players are developed locally are generally the stronger one's , this seems fair

I get what you're saying. Yep, winners make the rules. Hopefully, we get closer to being a developed nation with reliable record-keeping so we don't get looked down upon. Then we can cheat within the rules.

[DAdmiral]

I get what you're saying. Yep, winners make the rules. Hopefully, we get closer to being a developed nation with reliable record-keeping so we don't get looked down upon. Then we can cheat within the rules.

A good analogy is accounting practices to minimize taxes paid ( not tax evasion). , the former is legally within the rules .
while a different area eligibility is also about accounting based on clear legal measurable definition
now just like tax laws, there is the right forum to improve policy to be as fair as possible (it will never be perfect and will always favor some over others).
Now in terms of Philippines complaints over the hagop rule , it really has no sound basis , there is really no reasonable case for change

End of the day , FIBA is rewarding Nations where it is desirable to migrate to , and is developing within players, this is logocal and just .

If the Philippine decided to Naturalize and develop African teenagers and giving them a future from their troubled home country , this is indeed a noble act , worthy or praise, no one will accuse the Philippines of cheating with this approach. Remember international sports competition is NOT about competition of race but competition of Nations

[Metta]

A good analogy is accounting practices to minimize taxes paid ( not tax evasion). , the former is legally within the rules .
while a different area eligibility is also about accounting based on clear legal measurable definition
now just like tax laws, there is the right forum to improve policy to be as fair as possible (it will never be perfect and will always favor some over others).
Now in terms of Philippines complaints over the hagop rule , it really has no sound basis , there is really no reasonable case for change

End of the day , FIBA is rewarding Nations where it is desirable to migrate to , and is developing within players, this is logocal and just .

I would optimistically assume that your young and tall NZ wings have passports secured. Thank you if that is the case.

[DAdmiral]

I would optimistically assume that your young and tall NZ wings have passports secured. Thank you if that is the case.

Yes I've arranged for that , If the SBP is to take advantage of FIBA rules , legal assistance in processing of passport for U16 Fil foreigners identified is where it should focus on and invest. That is actually Philippines pain point and if address to me would be one of the biggest impact to progress

[FilWelsh]

The earliest QMB to don Gilas jersey is the next FIBA Cup qualifier February window that’s if indeed he secured his passport before he reached 16. While the latest will be 2029 citing the Brandon Jawato’s case.

Indonesia’s Dame Diagne, I believe has greater chance than Kouame to be re-classified much earlier from naturalised to FIBA recognised homegrown player.

[Metta]

Yes I've arranged for that , If the SBP is to take advantage of FIBA rules , legal assistance in processing of passport for U16 Fil foreigners identified is where it should focus on and invest. That is actually Philippines pain point and if address to me would be one of the biggest impact to progress

I agree. Someone privy to the information on how much we spend for NPs, Clarkson, Blatche, etc should make a cost analysis how much we can save if we spent money on improving that part of the process. The websites of the consulates alone can be drastically improved to make the process easier, it's like a maze with a lot of dead links. There should be a section specifically for the prospect types...Filipino descent with extraordinary ability...it doesn't have to be just for basketball. Then give priority/extra assistance to people of that category.

Btw, how is the process in NZ? It seems that all the Fil-kiwis that need to get secured are secured. Is it just because of lower population/prospects are more obvious or you guys are doing something different? If so, your model should be applied to other countries.

[DAdmiral]

I agree. Someone privy to the information on how much we spend for NPs, Clarkson, Blatche, etc should make a cost analysis how much we can save if we spent money on improving that part of the process. The websites of the consulates alone can be drastically improved to make the process easier, it's like a maze with a lot of dead links. There should be a section specifically for the prospect types...Filipino descent with extraordinary ability...it doesn't have to be just for basketball. Then give priority/extra assistance to people of that category.

Btw, how is the process in NZ? It seems that all the Fil-kiwis that need to get secured are secured. Is it just because of lower population/prospects are more obvious or you guys are doing something different? If so, your model should be applied to other countries.

Hmm.. well 1st of all let's differentiate the straightforward process of a Fil Foreigner applying for a passport who had a registration of birth to a Philippine citizen , either Filipino parent registered child's birth witb consulate , or birth certificate states one parent is a Philippine citizen. This is easy and does not take special assistance.

What is difficult and requires assistance is when the parent at birth of child was no longer a Philippine citizen. In this case a family overseas is not in a position pt has the resources to act alone to fix their paper.

Now aa Now what might be the difference between Fil Ams and Fil Kiwis, many fil ams are already 2nd or 3rd generation migrants as the US as a destination to live had many Filipinos move in the 1980s or earlier., therfor it is natural and logical that the parent was no longer a Philippine citizen at birth of child or even more common is the parent was born in the US and has never secured Philippine citizenship.
compare this to New Zealand thst is onky recently a destination for Filipinos to migrate to , so like myself and at leaat 70 % of Filipinos in Nz we migrated when we were still Philippine citizens and if we had children , we were still recognized as Philippine citizens.

Would like to point out that mere lineage to an entnicity group, like African Americans all have lineage to an African country, is NOT an acceptable standard to rstablish legal connection to a nationality . The only universal means of establishing a legal connection to a nationality is still only thru legal documentation . This is true for any country

[DAdmiral]

Many of us Filipinos based in the Philippines if we did an ancestor check have a % of Chinese or Spanish lineage. , but that connection is NOT an acceptable standard by any body to justify status ( whether for eligibility or citizenship purposes )
it is the same for Fil foreigners lineage to Philippines alone is meaningless without the legal acceptable documentation to establish connection status

[BJ_Reloaded]

Indeed, serious financial investment are needed if the grand plan of the new Team Manager and Project Director of both Boys and Mens team is to establish an extensive grassroot program moving forward..it's really a big investment.

with the financial muscles of both SMB and MVP empire combine as far as budget for SBP are concern surely they could entice and lure majority or hopefully all those present and future blue chipper hafus.

if the first order of the day is to hire or tap people who would do all the scouting and sweeping thing on the entire backyard of Uncle Sam from end to end

then hiring people who had that personal passion, dedication, enthusiasm, motivation and determination that "hey, I am doing this not only to get that lofty compensation and benefits as an agent/scout but because I love the game and I want every Philippine basketball team to play consistently on every medal rounds both FIBA and Olympics stages, that's my dream and aspiration as a Philippine basketball fan".

that's the kind of individuals our NF of the sports are needed for that particular endeavour.

yes it is quiet difficult and challenging because were talking about kids here and naturally parents/guardians only wants what's the best for their children moving forward..paperworks and leg-works is an onion but that's the nature of the game, it is what it is.

I think that's one trait that Alfrancis Chua had, whether you like him or hate him, he is just straight-forward, no hanky panky. very hands-on.

onion-skinned may have difficult or hard time dealing with him.

[Metta]

Hmm.. well 1st of all let's differentiate the straightforward process of a Fil Foreigner applying for a passport who had a registration of birth to a Philippine citizen , either Filipino parent registered child's birth witb consulate , or birth certificate states one parent is a Philippine citizen. This is easy and does not take special assistance.

What is difficult and requires assistance is when the parent at birth of child was no longer a Philippine citizen. In this case a family overseas is not in a position pt has the resources to act alone to fix their paper.

Now aa Now what might be the difference between Fil Ams and Fil Kiwis, many fil ams are already 2nd or 3rd generation migrants as the US as a destination to live had many Filipinos move in the 1980s or earlier., therfor it is natural and logical that the parent was no longer a Philippine citizen at birth of child or even more common is the parent was born in the US and has never secured Philippine citizenship.
compare this to New Zealand thst is onky recently a destination for Filipinos to migrate to , so like myself and at leaat 70 % of Filipinos in Nz we migrated when we were still Philippine citizens and if we had children , we were still recognized as Philippine citizens.

Would like to point out that mere lineage to an entnicity group, like African Americans all have lineage to an African country, is NOT an acceptable standard to rstablish legal connection to a nationality . The only universal means of establishing a legal connection to a nationality is still only thru legal documentation . This is true for any country

That makes sense. Also, I think since basketball is not that popular there, it's easier to stay on top of everyone. Less places to keep an eye on.

Hopefully, Australia, Canada and Europe will follow in your footsteps. There has got to be more undiscovered prospects in those places.

[DAdmiral]

Merry Christmas everyone

[Giannis34GOD]

OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

Australia - 7
Japan - 21
New Zealand - 22
Iran - 28
Lebanon - 29
China - 30
Philippines - 34
Jordan - 35
Korea - 54
Saudi Arabia - 66

AFC top 10 rankings:

Japan - 15
Iran - 18
Korea - 23
Australia - 26
Qatar - 48
Iraq - 56
Saudi Arabia - 59
UAE - 63
Jordan - 64
Bahrain - 81


Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...