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  • Speaking of Khaled Abdel Gabbar and KSA... Like Qatar, they were given privilege by FIBA since they will host the main Fiba Asia cup next year (although unlike Qatar, KSA's case is more clearer and no controversy since Khaled already with Saudi team since 2017, thus his case is very valid).. that means the can hire new naturalized player (actually I thought before Khaled is a local), I said many times before, their main problem is offense... they are one of the bottom 5 in terms of offense out of 24 teams participating while they are top 5 in defense.. KSA is mainly a defensive team, very versatile and might give teams trouble, especially East Asian teams... They badly need a naturalized scorer that can gather buckets if the locals struggling to get points (ala George King).. If they get an import who can score buckets, they can give top 10 teams (maybe except Australia) run for their money... Especially they are playing at home...
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    • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
      Speaking of Khaled Abdel Gabbar and KSA... Like Qatar, they were given privilege by FIBA since they will host the main Fiba Asia cup next year (although unlike Qatar, KSA's case is more clearer and no controversy since Khaled already with Saudi team since 2017, thus his case is very valid).. that means the can hire new naturalized player (actually I thought before Khaled is a local), I said many times before, their main problem is offense... they are one of the bottom 5 in terms of offense out of 24 teams participating while they are top 5 in defense.. KSA is mainly a defensive team, very versatile and might give teams trouble, especially East Asian teams... They badly need a naturalized scorer that can gather buckets if the locals struggling to get points (ala George King).. If they get an import who can score buckets, they can give top 10 teams (maybe except Australia) run for their money... Especially they are playing at home...
      KSA is also 2-13 against the top 10 teams.

      Those two wins against Jordan and Japan were because the latter two didn't have their key players.

      Depth is their biggest problem. Outside Al-Suwailem, they don't have other bigs besides an ageing Al-Marwani. Their wings and back court are undersized. They rely on outside shooting against much bigger teams. Iraq exploited this and nearly stole the game in their last encounter.

      A naturalized player may help but I doubt it'll be enough.

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      • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

        KSA is also 2-13 against the top 10 teams.

        Those two wins against Jordan and Japan were because the latter two didn't have their key players.

        Depth is their biggest problem. Outside Al-Suwailem, they don't have other bigs besides an ageing Al-Marwani. Their wings and back court are undersized. They rely on outside shooting against much bigger teams. Iraq exploited this and nearly stole the game in their last encounter.

        A naturalized player may help but I doubt it'll be enough.
        Depending what kind of naturalized they will get... If it is same as RHJ, they might have a shot... Jordan w/o RHJ is a mid tier Asian team.. they almost lose to Palestine and Iraq... But with RHJ, they are in top 5 Asian team... They badly need a do it all NP ala Brownlee or RHJ to upgrade their chances...

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        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

          Correct... Actually many countries now doing this practice


          Mohammed Gadiaga (Taiwan)- reside in Taiwan since 8 years old, granted his passport after 16.. become Fiba local eligible just last year

          Mamadou Ndiaye (UAE) - Reside in Dubai at 2017, played many time in UAE national team either 5x5 or 3x3, played in various local leagues in UAE, granted his passport early 2022, became Fiba local eligible early this year

          Khalid Abdel Gabbar (KSA) - Reside in Saudi since 2016, played many national team stint since 2017, played in various local leagues in KSA, granted his passport since 2017 (Naturalization in Saudi needs to convert to Islam) and now just granted FIBA local eligible yesterday...

          Freddie Lish (Thailand) - Reside in Taiwan since 2014, played and stayed in Thailand for 8 years in any Thai league... Granted his local status in late 2022....

          Brandon Jawato (Indonesia) - Reside in Indonesia since 2015, played numerous leagues in Indonesia either IBL or ABL, granted his passport and local status late 2020...


          Actually even Joel Embiid can be local eligible for USA if they wanted too.. Embiid already reside in USA since 2014 since when he was drafted.. already have house residency and his child born there...
          so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

          IT WAS an overtime period between archrivals Ateneo de Manila and De La Salle University (DLSU) during the FilOil Flying...

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          • If re-classified by FIBA as local, Ange can be utilised as resident player (on-call status) for Gilas program. And if not allowed as local by PBA then he can be tap in EASL games whenever an MVP backed team qualified…

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            • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

              so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

              IT WAS an overtime period between archrivals Ateneo de Manila and De La Salle University (DLSU) during the FilOil Flying...
              Exactly, definitely better chance the Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more the supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

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              • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

                so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

                IT WAS an overtime period between archrivals Ateneo de Manila and De La Salle University (DLSU) during the FilOil Flying...
                Exactly, definitely better chance than Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more than supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

                some people in SBP have also incorrectly advised that once classified as NP , one cannot be reclassified to a local, this is false , and actually has no provision cited. Again people getting emotional pretending they know the subject , the subject is NOT Philippines law, but international policy., both FIBA and what internationally is an acceptable verification that can be applied universally , one policy can never apply to every nations laws.

                this is directed to the Qunito of this world (or similar mindset ). They based things on our unque cultural and system understanding of things , NOT how things are applied universally for many. Big difference

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                • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                  Exactly, definitely better chance than Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more than supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

                  some people in SBP have also incorrectly advised that once classified as NP , one cannot be reclassified to a local, this is false , and actually has no provision cited. Again people getting emotional pretending they know the subject , the subject is NOT Philippines law, but international policy., both FIBA and what internationally is an acceptable verification that can be applied universally , one policy can never apply to every nations laws.

                  this is directed to the Qunito of this world (or similar mindset ). They based things on our unque cultural and system understanding of things , NOT how things are applied universally for many. Big difference
                  May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                    May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?
                    actually a few , many who played in youth teams (wont mention local names) , who failed to get passport before 16 , were originally classified for the tournament as NP ( quota of 1) to play, then reclassified for the future. also if you read the article below on Abassi he was originally classified as a NP. Do note the submission advise given for Koume if we were to use him as a NP was to include this should not prejudice his application ( if submited) for exception. There really are sensible ways of addressing this , problem is SBP and our ways are to hard headed and to close in mindset ( we only think of our laws- meron dugo , and supposedly rights , which is not the issue at all

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                    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                      actually a few , many who played in youth teams (wont mention local names) , who failed to get passport before 16 , were originally classified for the tournament as NP ( quota of 1) to play, then reclassified for the future. also if you read the article below on Abassi he was originally classified as a NP. Do note the submission advise given for Koume if we were to use him as a NP was to include this should not prejudice his application ( if submited) for exception. There really are sensible ways of addressing this , problem is SBP and our ways are to hard headed and to close in mindset ( we only think of our laws- meron dugo , and supposedly rights , which is not the issue at all
                      Brandon Jawato was a naturalized Indonesian citizen, and he's classified as FIBA-eligible for Indonesia. I know he might not be the best example to use in arguing for Ange's case in our context, since he had an Indonesian bloodline, but this is a naturalized citizen becoming FIBA-eligible as a local.

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                        May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?
                        Abasi has a naturalized player status prior to his localization.
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                        • so who is the idiot who won't pursue kouame's local status? my bet is Panlilio.
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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                            May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?
                            I think Isaac Fotu of Tall Blacks….

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                            • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

                              I think Isaac Fotu of Tall Blacks….
                              Isaac Fotu is one the worst examples to use for an exception, he's as Kiwi as you can get, Majority of Kiwis are of Poleynnian decent ( Fout's mom) and English ( Fotu's dad) , Isaac has no know citizenship prior to getting his 1st passport at 17 yrs old , if he's not Kiwi , then he's basically state or citizenship less. His exception to be cleared took 24 hours to sort out, as one and only passport in life was NZ , but issued after his 16th biirthday , he was just born overseas and moved when he was 4 or 5 yrs old. His father as an English citizen after living more than 4 years in NZ automatically is Kiwi citizen as well as this kids ( Isaac). Just saying this is not a good example. if you're wondering how did he travel as a minor when he 1st arrived in NZ, answer British nationals can bring their children w/o pasport to enter NZ ( as part of the commonwelath ) previously.

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                              • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                                so who is the idiot who won't pursue kouame's local status? my bet is Panlilio.
                                do note if a player like Kouame becomes Gilas eligible , he then becomes available for the B - league, we all know many Philippine stakeholders don't want this

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